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[A. Call to Order and Announce that a Quorum is Present.]
FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS. WE DO HAVE A QUORUM PRESENT, AND I'M LOOKING FOR APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.[B. Approval of Minutes]
MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND MOTION BY FRANCESCA.FRANCESCA. SECOND BY ARAM. ALL IN FAVOR? PLEASE VOTE NOW.
MOTION CARRIES 6 TO 0. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS.
SECOND ORDER OF BUSINESS. WE HAVE SOME REGULAR HEARINGS TO TAKE CARE OF.
[C. Regular Hearing]
THE FIRST A REGULAR HEARING. THE LEWISVILLE CORPORATE CENTER LOT, TWO HOUR BLOCK A ON 6.578 ACRES.ZONED PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, MIXED USE PD MU DISTRICT, LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF I-35E FRONTAGE ROAD, APPROXIMATELY 810FT SOUTH OF FM 407 JUSTIN ROAD.
BEING A PART OF US LEWISVILLE CORPORATE CENTER.
LOT TWO BLOCK A CASE. NUMBER 24 1211 DASH. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.
LEWISVILLE DEVELOPMENT STAFF HAS REVIEWED THIS PLAT AND FOUND A LIST OF DEFICIENCIES.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DISAPPROVE THIS FINAL PLAT FOR ALL THE DEFICIENCIES LISTED, AND DELEGATE TO STAFF THE ABILITY TO ACCEPT AND APPROVE IT ONCE ALL DEFICIENCIES HAVE BEEN CORRECTED.
THANK YOU. JONATHAN. COMMISSIONERS. QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I MOVE TO DISAPPROVE THE FINAL PLOT DUE TO THE DEFICIENCIES LISTED, AND DELEGATE THE STAFF THE AUTHORITY TO ACCEPT AND APPROVE THE PLOT ONCE DEFICIENCIES ARE CORRECTED.
SECOND MOTION BY ARAM ALI. SECOND BY AINSLIE.
VOTE NOW. MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO. NEXT ITEM.
REGULAR HEARING. VALLEY RIDGE INDUSTRIAL PARK ADDITION LOTS ONE AND TWO.
BLOCK A ON 26.8417 ACRES. ZONED LIGHT INDUSTRIAL LIGHT DISTRICT LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF VALLEY RIDGE BOULEVARD, APPROXIMATELY 920FT WEST OF MILL STREET.
BEING A REPLANT OF VALLEY RIDGE BUSINESS PARK.
EAST ADDITION LOTS THREE, FOUR, AND FIVE. BLOCK B CASE NUMBER 24 1212 R.P.
COMMISSIONERS DEVELOPMENT STAFF HAS ALSO REVIEWED THIS PLAT AND FOUND A LIST OF DEFICIENCIES.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PMC Z DISAPPROVE THIS PLOT FOR ALL THE DEFICIENCIES LISTED AND DELEGATE TO STAFF THE ABILITY TO ACCEPT AND APPROVE ONCE ALL DEFICIENCIES HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED. THANK YOU. JONATHAN COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS.
COMMENT. READY FOR A MOTION. TO APPROVE.
SECOND. SECOND. BY FRANCESCA. VOTE.
MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO. REGULAR HEARING STEWARDS EDITION.
PLOTS 14 R1 AND 14 R2. BLOCK B ON 0.284 ACRES.
ZONED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL R5 DISTRICT LOCATED AT 106 MARTIN STREET, BEING.
REPLAY OF TD STEWART'S ADDITION. LOT 14, BLOCK B.
CASE 24 1213. COMMISSIONER STAFF HAS REVIEWED THIS PLAT AND FOUND A LIST OF DEFICIENCIES.
THANK YOU. JONATHAN. COMMISSIONERS. QUESTIONS.
COMMENTS. MOTION, PLEASE. MOTION TO DISAPPROVE THE FINAL PLAT DUE TO DEFICIENCIES AND DELEGATE TO STAFF THE AUTHORITY TO ACCEPT AND APPROVE THE PLAT. NO DEFICIENCIES ARE CORRECTED.
MOTION BY RICK. SECOND. SECOND BY AINSLIE. VOTE NOW.
MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO. THE NEXT SECTION ARE PUBLIC HEARING AND A LITTLE BIT OF HOUSEKEEPING.
[D. Public Hearing]
HERE WE ARE GOING TO HEAR NUMBER SIX BEFORE NUMBER FIVE, BUT WE WILL DO NUMBER FIVE LAST.SO. BUT IT'LL ONLY TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME.
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THANK YOU. NUMBER SIX, PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATION OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR LICENSED MASSAGE THERAPY ON APPROXIMATELY 1.1601 ACRES, LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS LOT TWO, BLOCK A, LEWISVILLE PLAZA, PHASE TWO, LOCATED AT 1010 EDMOND'S LANE. ZONED LOCAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, LLC, AS REQUESTED BY YANG WANZHOU TOP MASSAGE ON BEHALF OF J. MAHARSHI LLC, THE PROPERTY OWNER.CASE NUMBER 24 0916. SUP. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS.
SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT WE DID HEAR THIS CASE ALREADY, BUT THE APPLICANT, THERE WAS A MISCOMMUNICATION ABOUT THE MEETING, AND THEY MISSED IT. AND SO THEY WITHDREW THE CASE SO THAT THEY COULD REAPPLY BECAUSE THEY REALLY WANTED TO BE BEFORE THE COMMITTEE AND SPEAK.
BUT TONIGHT, ACTUALLY, WE'RE WANTING TO AMEND OUR RECOMMENDATION, OUR RECOMMENDED MOTION ON THIS.
WE'RE GOING TO RECOMMEND THAT THE COMMISSION TABLE THIS ITEM OR CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL YOUR NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS ON JANUARY 21ST. AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT WE ARE TRYING TO GET HOLD OF THAT WE BELIEVE IS RELATED TO THE CASE FROM THE TOWN OF FLOWER MOUND.
THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, THOUGH. AND I KNOW THE APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT.
SO WE DEFINITELY DO NEED TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT IN LIEU OF CLOSING IT, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE KEEP IT OPEN AND CONTINUE IT UNTIL THE 21ST. THANK YOU. MICHEL. AT THIS TIME.
I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS HEARING, AND ANYONE WISHING TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK MAY.
IF YOU DO, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
HAVING NO ONE COME FORWARD, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WILL WANT TO CONTINUE. I'M SORRY. CONTINUE. DO YOU MEAN TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CONTINUE IT UNTIL THE 21ST? WE TABLE IT FIRST. OKAY, GOTCHA. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AGAIN.
COMMISSIONERS, I MOVED THE TABLE. THE ITEM UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING.
SECOND MOTION BY JACK. SECOND BY FRANCESCA. THAT WE TABLED THIS MOTION UNTIL JANUARY 21ST, 2025. NOW VOTE PLEASE. THANK YOU FOR CORRECTING ME.
MOTION CARRIES 6 TO 0. THIS ITEM IS TABLED UNTIL JANUARY 21ST.
AND NOW ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING. CONSIDERATION OF A RECOMMENDATION FOR AMENDMENTS TO THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE BY AMENDING ARTICLE EIGHT USES PARKING REQUIREMENTS, SUPPLEMENTAL USE REGULATIONS, AND CERTAIN DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS OF VOLUME TWO OF THE LEWISVILLE CITY CODE, KNOWN AS THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, BY AMENDING CHAPTER SEVEN, DASH THREE SUPPLEMENTAL USE REGULATIONS, SECTION 73.2 FOR MANUFACTURING LIGHT INTENSITY, INTENSITY MANUFACTURING, MEDIUM INTENSITY, MANUFACTURING HEAVY INTENSITY, AND WAREHOUSE DISTRIBUTION FACILITY TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL STANDARDS AND AMENDING EXHIBITS. 7.2.3 FOR NONRESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.
I HAVE SEVERAL THINGS TO HEAR ON THIS. THANK YOU RICHARD.
GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. THE CITY COUNCIL HAD DIRECTED A STAFF TO PREPARE SOME AMENDMENTS RELATED TO DISTRIBUTION, WAREHOUSES AND MANUFACTURING IN LATE 2024. IN FACT, THE CITY COUNCIL ON DECEMBER THE 9TH APPROVED OF THE ORIGINAL SUPPLEMENTAL STANDARDS FOR THESE USES.
ON DECEMBER THE 9TH, 2024. THOSE STANDARDS REQUIRE A LANDSCAPE BUFFER IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS 50FT WITH WITH PARTICULAR PLANTINGS AND BERMS. AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, IT ALSO ADDRESSES THE ORIENTATION OF LOADING DOCKS AND SCREENING OF THE OPEN, OPEN SIDES OF TRUCK COURTS.
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I SAID THAT WAS ADOPTED BY THE COUNCIL ON DECEMBER 9TH.SO THAT IS IN PLACE RIGHT NOW FOR JUST THOSE THREE PARTICULAR USES.
WHAT IS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS AN AMENDMENT TO THAT.
AND IT DOES ADD A NEW FACTOR TO THESE THREE OR ACTUALLY THESE FOUR USES.
IT'S THE THREE INTENSITIES OF MANUFACTURING. SO YOU HAVE LIGHT MEDIUM AND HEAVY INTENSITY MANUFACTURING AND WAREHOUSE DISTRIBUTION FACILITIES. WHAT IS PROPOSED IS THE REQUIREMENT OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
IF ANY OF THOSE FOUR USES ARE BEING ARE NEW USES THAT FALL UNDER THE ONE OF THOSE FOUR CATEGORIES ARE DEVELOPED WITHIN 500FT. OF LESSER INTENSITY USES SUCH AS RESIDENTIAL, RETAIL, OFFICE, SERVICE USES.
AND AGAIN, THAT WOULD ONLY APPLY TO EITHER THE EXPANSION OF AN EXISTING OR REDEVELOPMENT OF A SITE OR THE DEVELOPMENT OF A BRAND NEW FACILITY. PARTICULARLY, THE CITY COUNCIL HAD REQUESTED THAT THIS ITEM BE BROUGHT BEFORE YOU.
IT IS SCHEDULED FOR A SECOND PUBLIC HEARING ON JANUARY 27TH BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL, AND THE PRIMARY CONCERN IS THE REDEVELOPMENT OF EXISTING SITES THAT ALREADY HAVE THE LOWER INTENSITY USES, SO USES THAT HAVE EXISTING OFFICE AND RETAIL BEING TORE DOWN AND REDEVELOPED WITH THESE HEAVIER INTENSITY USES IN THAT SCENARIO, THAT COULD CREATE SOME CONFLICTS BETWEEN USES AND INCOMPATIBILITY.
AND THE SOUP IS A VERY A GOOD TOOL THAT THE CITY CAN USE TO EVALUATE EACH PROPOSAL ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, TO DETERMINE IF THERE ARE ANY NEGATIVE IMPACTS, TO DETERMINE IF IT IS AN APPROPRIATE USE AT THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION, IF THERE ARE ANY POTENTIAL MITIGATING FACTORS THAT MIGHT MAKE IT MORE COMPATIBLE.
SO AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, THESE ARE LOOKED AT ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
ALL OF THESE FACTORS HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED. AND AGAIN THIS IS FOR BRAND NEW FACILITIES DOES NOT IMPACT ANY ANY EXISTING, ESPECIALLY IF THERE ARE NOT ANY PLANS TO MAKE ANY CHANGES THEN THIS ORDINANCE WOULD NOT IMPACT THOSE THOSE PROPERTIES WE CITY STAFF WAS REQUIRED BY THE STATE OF TEXAS TO SEND OUT A NOTICE TO ALL PROPERTIES THAT HAVE ANY POTENTIAL IMPACT.
THAT NOTICE HAD A VERY ALARMING WORDING THAT IS MANDATED BY THE STATE OF TEXAS THAT THAT BASICALLY STATES, I CAN RECITE THAT I BELIEVE IN YOUR PACKET. YOU HAD A COPY OF THE OF THE NOTICE.
PLEASE READ THIS NOTICE CAREFULLY. SO AGAIN, WE DID RECEIVE A LARGE NUMBER OF INQUIRIES, WELL OVER 150 EMAILS AND PHONE CALLS. NOT THAT DOESN'T EVEN INCLUDE WALK INS.
THAT WAS AS OF 530 TODAY. ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF THE OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE DID SPEAK WITH ARE CURRENTLY OPERATING USES THAT ARE IN THAT LOWER INTENSITY CATEGORY, BUT ARE PERMITTED IN LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
SO THE RESTAURANTS, THE RETAIL, THE SERVICE TYPE USES, THE OFFICE USES.
AND AGAIN THE CAVEAT THERE IS THE SCOPE KICKS IN FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT OR REDEVELOPMENT.
SO, LIKE I SAID, ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF THE FOLKS THAT WE SPOKE WITH OPERATE THE LOWER INTENSITY USES.
BUT WE DID SPEAK TO ABOUT THE OTHER THIRD. WAS WAS CONVERSATIONS WITH FOLKS THAT CURRENTLY OPERATE OR OWN DISTRIBUTION WAREHOUSES OR SOME TYPE OF MANUFACTURING.
AND AGAIN, WE TRY TO EXPLAIN THAT REALLY THE, THE USES THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE IF THERE ARE NO CHANGES TO, YOU KNOW, TO BE MADE. THEY WOULD THEY COULD BE ABLE TO CONTINUE EXACTLY AS THEY ARE WITHOUT REALLY HAVING TO GO THROUGH THE,
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THE SUP. IT'S ONLY THE EXPANSION OR REDEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD TRIGGER THAT.WE DID GET A LOT OF CONCERNS EXPRESSED, THOUGH, ABOUT THE POTENTIAL OF SOME BUILDINGS THAT HAVE MULTIPLE TENANTS THAT MAY SWITCH FROM DISTRIBUTION WAREHOUSE TO MANUFACTURING OR FOR MANUFACTURING DISTRIBUTION WAREHOUSE, THAT THAT WOULD REQUIRE A NEW CO, AND THAT IS A CHANGE OF USE AND THAT CHANGE OF USE THEN DEFAULTS BACK TO THE USE CHART AND JUST SHOW THAT IT WOULD REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, ESPECIALLY ONLY IF THEY'RE WITHIN 500FT OF THOSE LOWER INTENSITY USES.
SO THAT COULD CREATE SOME, SOME, SOME ISSUES WITH SOME OF THE SOME OF THESE OWNERS.
IT WOULD REALLY BE A TIME TIME IMPACT AS FAR AS IF IT DOES TRIGGER AN SP THE FASTEST, THAT STAFF COULD PROBABLY PROCESS AN SUV BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE REQUIRED STATE MANDATED NOTIFICATIONS THAT WE HAVE TO DO IS PROBABLY ABOUT SIX WEEKS, MAYBE 6 TO 8 WEEKS. AND THAT'S USUALLY ON A VERY FAST TRACK.
SO WHAT STAFF RECOMMENDS IS THAT THE P AND Z RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS BECAUSE THE CITY COUNCIL IS EXPECTING TO HOLD THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 27TH.
THEY HAD ASKED FOR THIS TO TO MOVE FAIRLY QUICKLY.
AND IN THE MEANTIME, AND THEN OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS, STAFF WILL BE WORKING INTERNALLY TO CREATE SOME NEW LANGUAGE TO ADD TO THE ORDINANCE THAT ADDRESSES SOME OF THESE CONCERNS ABOUT EXISTING USES.
AND TRY TO AVOID THE NEED TO OR THE REQUIREMENT OF AN SUP.
AGAIN, WE'LL HAVE TO WORK ON THAT WORK WITH OUR OUR LEGAL STAFF TO COME UP WITH THAT.
BUT WE THINK THAT WILL ADDRESS SOME OF THE THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE HEARD.
WE DO WANT TO THANK EVERYONE FOR SHOWING UP TONIGHT AND FOR CONTACTING STAFF.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS THE FIRST OF TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS.
THANK YOU. RICHARD. COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS? MORE OF A CLARIFICATION THAN AND QUESTIONS. IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS CORRECTLY, THESE AMENDMENTS ARE COMING BASICALLY AS A DIRECTIVE FROM COUNCIL FOR WHAT THE THREE ITEMS THEY ALREADY APPROVED, BUT THEY KIND OF FELT LIKE WE NEEDED SOME MORE LANGUAGE OR SOMETHING ON THE BOOKS TO DEAL WITH THE POTENTIAL. IF THERE IS GOING TO BE A TEAR DOWN IN A NEW USE.
YES, POP UP. SO KIND OF MORE SAFEGUARDS TO PUT IN PLACE TO DEAL WITH NEW USES FROM NEW CONSTRUCTION.
NOT REALLY WORRIED ABOUT WHAT'S ALREADY THERE AND OPERATING.
THAT IS CORRECT. BUT TO ADD ON TO THAT, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT IF THERE'S A TENANT THAT CHANGES OPERATIONS, THEY NEED A NEW CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, THEN THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED A NEW USE AS WELL, WHICH COULD BE A SUITE USE CATEGORY TO ANOTHER THAT.
SO THAT COULD ALSO FALL INTO THIS. THAT WAS REALLY NEVER THE INTENT.
SO AGAIN WE WILL WORK TO CREATE, TO ADD SOME LANGUAGE TO NEGATE THAT THAT FROM HAPPENING.
OKAY. BUT AGAIN, WE'LL NEED SOME TIME OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS TO GET THAT THAT WORDING DOWN.
BUT WE WILL PRESENT THAT TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON THE 27TH.
SO THAT WOULDN'T REQUIRE ANOTHER AMENDMENT. CORRECT? IT'S JUST MORE INTERNAL LANGUAGE THAT YOU GUYS NEED TO CLARIFY. OKAY.
OKAY. CLEAN UP. AND SLATE HERE. I KNOW, I THINK I'M OKAY FOR NOW. YEAH. OKAY. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT WHEN I OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK, YOU MAY COME FORWARD. IF YOU WISH TO HAVE SOMEONE ELSE SPEAK FOR A GROUP OF PEOPLE, WE. THAT IS OKAY ALSO. AND JUST STATE WHO YOU ARE SPEAKING FOR.
SO I OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND THE FIRST THING I'M READING INTO THE RECORD IS FROM LANCE KENT, PROPERTY OWNER OF 600 HEMBREE STREET, REGARDING THE WAREHOUSE AND MANUFACTURING HEARING.
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THRESHOLD TO LIMIT THE LARGER AND MORE DISRUPTIVE WAREHOUSE PROPERTIES.AGAINST THAT FROM LANCE KENT. PUT THAT ON THE FLOOR.
THE NEXT WAS FROM MICHAEL COOGAN. AND THANKS FOR THE INFORMATION.
PLEASE SEE OUR BELOW WRITTEN MESSAGE TO EXPLAINING OUR STRONG OPPOSITION TO THE PROPOSAL.
WE HAVE A SERIOUS CONCERN REGARDING THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE UDC.
VALOR VALUES AS SEEN IN OTHER MUNICIPALITIES.
WHERE THESE STEPS ARE USED TO EFFECTIVELY BAN CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT AND INDUSTRIAL PROPERTIES, OWNERS AND OPERATORS SUBJECT TO THESE SUPS WILL BE FORCED TO CONTINUE TO OPERATE IN INEFFICIENT AGING FACILITIES UNDER LEGAL NONCONFORMING USES, AS THEY WILL BE UNABLE TO SELL FOR ANYTHING MORE THAN THE TEAR DOWN LAND VALUE OR MODERNIZE THEIR FACILITIES.
INVESTORS LOOKING TO DEVELOP BEST IN CLASS FACILITIES CANNOT UNDERWRITE THE RISK ASSOCIATED WITH A SUBJECTIVE AND OPAQUE SUP PROCESS AND WILL BE EXCLUDED EXCLUDED FROM THE MARKET, THUS FURTHER DEPRESSING PROPERTY VALUES.
THE END RESULT WILL BE TO CREATE ATROPHYING, BLIGHTED INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS THAT EXPAND INCREMENTALLY TO ALTERNATE USE, AS ADJACENCIES TRIGGER THOSE SUPS. AND FOR EVER LARGER SWATHS OF LEWISVILLE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS, HIGH QUALITY BUSINESSES MOTIVATED TO OPERATE WITHIN THE LAW AND MAINTAIN GOOD RELATIONSHIPS WITH NEIGHBORS WILL MOVE TO HIGHER QUALITY FACILITIES ELSEWHERE, AND YOU'LL BE LEFT WITH THE BOTTOM OF THE BARREL.
THESE LOWEST COST OPERATIONS ARE FREQUENTLY UNABLE AND UNWILLING TO COMPLY WITH THE LAW, AND THEIR BEHAVIOR WILL EXASPERATE RATHER THAN SOLVE THE ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH ADJACENCY TO INDUSTRIAL OPERATIONS.
WHILE UNPOPULAR POLITICALLY, THE INDUSTRIAL FACILITIES THAT PROVIDE LAST MILE DISTRIBUTION AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL SERVICES TO LOCAL RESIDENTS ARE AN EVER MORE CRITICAL COMPONENT OF THE MODERN ECONOMY.
THE FRICTION BETWEEN THESE USES, AND MORE POLITICALLY POPULAR ONES, IS A CHALLENGE THAT MUST BE APPROACHED WITH A SCALPEL RATHER THAN A SLEDGEHAMMER, TO ENSURE THAT THESE INDUSTRIAL USES ARE WELL MAINTAINED AND EFFICIENT, AS WELL AS HARMONIOUS COMPONENTS TO THE LOCAL ECONOMY.
THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT WILL DO THE OPPOSITE, AND THE ENSUING WIDESPREAD DISINVESTMENT AND VALUATION DEGRADATION THAT WILL FAIL TO PRODUCE THE COMPATIBILITY WITH OTHER USES TYPES, THE PS STAFF MEMBER INDICATED HERE, AND HE INCLUDED SOME INFORMATION FROM STAFF.
MODIFICATIONS FOR INDUSTRIAL USES. AS THE MANAGING PARTNER OF PREFIX AM, VISTA RIDGE PROPERTIES, LLC. I WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE THE FOLLOWING COMMENT.
PRICES. VISTA RIDGE PROPERTY, LLC IS THE CURRENT OWNER OF 2777 VISTA RIDGE DRIVE, WHICH INCLUDES 23 ACRES AND A 240 ZERO ZERO ZERO SQUARE FOOT OFFICE BUILDING WHICH IS ZONED LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
THE CUMULATIVE EFFECT OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE UDC REFERRED TO IN ARTICLE SEVEN, CHAPTER THREE, SECTION 24, FOR MOST INDUSTRIAL USES, WILL REDUCE THE EFFECTIVE SITE SIZE, INCREASE THE SITE AND BUILDING DEVELOPMENT COSTS, AND IN MOST CASES REQUIRE THE ADDITIONAL BURDEN OF OBTAINING A SPECIAL A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.
EVEN IF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT COMPLIES WITH THE REQUIREMENTS SET FORTH IN 7.3.24, THIS WILL HAVE A MATERIAL IMPACT ON THE VALUE OF OUR PROPERTY AND CONSTITUTES A TAKING OF EXISTING PROPERTY RIGHTS.
SPECIFIC COMMENTS TO SUBSECTION. THE 500 FOOT RANGE IS EXCESSIVE.
250 WOULD BE MORE ADEQUATE. THE LANDSCAPE SNAKES.
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STREETS AND ANY ADJACENT PROPERTY. USES. LISTED IN SECTION 7.2.4.THE BERM REQUIREMENT IS EXCESSIVE. THE LANDSCAPE STRIP OF 25 FOOT IN THE LANDSCAPE.
IMPROVEMENTS STIPULATED IN ITEMS TWO AND THREE ARE MORE THAN ADEQUATE TO PROVIDE RIDE SCREENING.
THE TRUCK DOCK ORIENTATION IS PROPOSED. WILL PRESENT MATERIAL CHALLENGES IN SITE PLANNING OPTIONS, PRIVATE STREETS AND OPEN SPACE. OTHER THAN THE REFERENCE TO PUBLIC PARKS SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM THIS REQUIREMENT.
THE OPEN SIDE TRUCK COURT SCREENING WALL SHOULD BE NO GREATER THAN 50FT IN LENGTH.
THE SUGGESTIONS WE HAVE MADE REGARDING THE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS BE CONSIDERED, AS WELL AS REMOVING THE SUP REQUIREMENTS PROVIDED THE DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS ARE MET. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE THESE COMMENTS.
NOW I HAVE A STACK OF NAMES TO READ. THESE. THE FOLLOWING PEOPLE ARE IN SUPPORT OF THE AMENDMENT AND DO NOT WISH TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME, BUT WISH TO HAVE THEIR NAME READ INTO THE RECORD.
IT'S JOSH ALLEN, LUTHER BERNSTEIN, AND LANCE KANT WHO I JUST READ A NOTE FROM.
THE FOLLOWING PEOPLE ARE IN OPPOSITION AND WILL BE.
THE NAMES WILL BE READ INTO THE RECORD. PAUL BOSCO, LUCY WANG, PATRICIA WHITE RAMA KAKI. I HOPE I DID NOT BUTCHER YOUR NAME.
LARRY ROSE, PATSY. GUZIK, DIANA. EVERETT, MICHAEL.
MAHONEY, JEFF. TRAYLOR, TOMMY. MANN, GREG. SMITH, ANDREW.
BOWMAN, ROBERT. ALLEN, ALAN. MEYER, LARRY. MEYER, BUCKY.
GILLETTE, GEORGE. WRIGHT, RIGHT, HENRY. RIGHT.
AND I HAVE TWO FROM HENRY FOR SOME REASON, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
I'LL PUT THAT ASIDE. RAYMOND ARROYO, MARIA CORONA, DAVID GRIFFIN, JAMES BULLINGTON, AHMAD RASHAD, AND DAVID PRINCE. THANK YOU ALL.
OF COURSE, WE APPRECIATE EVERY ONE OF YOU WHO HAS APPEARED HERE TONIGHT.
IT'S IMPORTANT. WE'RE GLAD TO SEE YOU, AND WE WISH TO HEAR FROM YOU AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
IF SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. PLEASE COME FORWARD.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. MY NAME IS JAMES BULLINGTON.
YOU'RE GOING TO KILL BUSINESS, SMALL BUSINESS IN THE CITY.
DO YOU GUYS EVEN UNDERSTAND SMALL BUSINESS, OR DO ANY OF YOU HAVE A BACKGROUND IN SMALL BUSINESS? SMALL BUSINESS IS THE BACKBONE OF THIS COUNTRY.
WE'RE THE ONES THAT KEEP YOU GUYS EMPLOYED AND KEEP THE TAX DOLLARS IN.
AND IT'S VERY I'M VERY DISMAYED AT THE QUALITY OF COUNCIL THAT'S IN THIS ROOM RIGHT NOW FOR THE SIMPLE FACT THAT YOU GUYS APPROVED A 50 FOOT SETBACK. TELLS ME YOU ALL KNOW NOTHING ABOUT BUSINESS.
YOU DO REALIZE THAT THE LAND THAT WE OWN IN THIS CITY BELONGS TO US.
IT'S NOT CITY LAND. YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO TAKE IT FROM US SO WE CAN PUT STUPID PLANTS IN IT.
IN FACT, IF YOU GUYS GO FORWARD WITH THIS THING, THEN I SUGGEST THAT WE ALL, ALL OF US BUSINESS OWNERS BAND TOGETHER, GET A COURT INJUNCTION SHIN AND STOP YOU GUYS, AND THEN IMMEDIATELY START THE PROCESS TO HAVE ALL OF YOU RECALLED, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT FIT TO BE IN BUSINESS, TO BE THE CITY COUNCIL OF THIS CITY WITH YOUR LACK OF BUSINESS SENSE.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY, BUT I'M DEFINITELY NOT IN.
THANK YOU. AND ONE MORE THING. I'LL SIT BACK HERE AND WAIT, AND I'LL GIVE YOU GUYS MY PHONE NUMBER. BUT IF THEY'RE GOING TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS, I'LL LEAD THE REST OF US TO GET AN ATTORNEY, FILE A COURT INJUNCTION. I'LL PUT MY MONEY INTO AN ATTORNEY TO FIGHT THIS.
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SO THAT WE WOULD KEEP THE BUSINESSES IN THIS CITY SURVIVING.THE MALL IS IS DEVASTATED FURNITURE BUSINESSES THAT HAVE BEEN IN THE CITY ARE NOT HERE ANYMORE, AND ALL BECAUSE THIS CITY WANTS APARTMENTS, AND THOSE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN APARTMENTS ARE TRANSIENT.
THEY DON'T BUY FURNITURE. THEY DON'T EAT THAT MUCH IN THE RESTAURANTS.
OKAY? THEY'RE HERE ONE DAY AND GONE THE NEXT.
AND THIS CITY, YEAR AFTER YEAR, HAS JUST FOCUSED ON GETTING AS MUCH PROPERTY TAXES AND BUILDING APARTMENTS WHEN THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN BUILDING HOUSES. THIS IS THE ONLY CITY IN THE METROPLEX THAT'S BEEN FOCUSED ON APARTMENTS.
NO OTHER CITY, AND I DID, AND I'M A REAL WELL.
FIRST OF ALL, I'M A REAL ESTATE BROKER. I'VE BEEN BUILDING AND DEVELOPING MOSTLY IN MCKINNEY, BUT I'VE DONE BUSINESS IN LEWISVILLE, CARROLLTON, LITTLE ELM, FRISCO, MCKINNEY, AND DENTON.
THIS IS THE DUMBEST COUNCIL THAT YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO EVER WORK WITH. OKAY? AND I'M NOT KIDDING YOU. THESE PEOPLE DON'T HAVE ANY COMMON SENSE.
THEY DON'T HAVE ANY BUSINESS EXPERIENCE. THEY DON'T NEED TO BE HERE.
IT HAS BEEN PROSPEROUS AT TIMES. THEY'RE GOING TO RUIN IT.
THEY'RE GOING TO DO LIKE THOSE GUYS SAID IN THOSE LETTERS. THIS IS GOING TO BE A PLACE THAT ONLY POOR PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SET UP BUSINESS, AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE CARE OF ANYTHING. BUT IF WE WANT CLASSY BUSINESS IN HERE, WE NEED TO HAVE THESE PEOPLE EITHER REMOVED OR START THINKING DIFFERENTLY.
AND LIKE I SAID, I'LL STAY AFTER THE MEETING.
ANYBODY WANTS TO TALK TO ME? LIKE I SAID, I'LL PUT MY MONEY IN THIS THING.
I'M READY TO EITHER GET THESE GUYS OUT AND GET NEW PEOPLE IN, OR STOP THEM IN THEIR TRACKS.
THANK YOU. SIR, BEFORE YOU START, I'M GOING TO READ ONE MORE NAME INTO THE RECORD, PLEASE. ANOTHER PERSON IN OPPOSITION IS HUGH BANGERTER, AS I READ THAT.
THANK YOU. YOU MAY GO AHEAD, SIR. MY NAME IS DAVID PRINCE.
I OWN EAGLE GUN RANGE OVER ON VALLEY RIDGE. FIRST, I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR TAKING YOUR PERSONAL TIME AWAY FROM YOUR FAMILIES TO HELP SERVE THIS COMMUNITY. I APPRECIATE IT. IT'S NOT AN EASY JOB, BUT YOU DO HAVE MY APPRECIATION.
I WISH WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN THESE QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS BEFORE.
WE FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GOT HERE.
THAT WAS HELPFUL. BUT I DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONCERN.
WHENEVER YOU SEE A GOVERNMENT AGENCY TRYING TO CRAM SOMETHING THROUGH REALLY QUICK.
SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT YOU'VE READ WERE PRETTY.
THEY SEEMED PRETTY REASONABLE. I JUST THINK THE STAFF NEEDS A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME.
SO I'M ASKING YOU NOT TO GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON THIS.
LET THE CITY COUNCIL WAIT A WHILE. IF THEY'RE THAT URGENT FOR IT, THEN I'M CONCERNED.
IF THEY'RE TRYING TO PUSH THROUGH THIS THING SO QUICKLY.
SETS OFF BELLS. OKAY, SO TAKE YOUR TIME. MAKE GOOD DECISIONS.
AND AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR TAKING YOUR TIME AWAY FROM YOUR FAMILY TO SERVE THIS COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING.
MY NAME IS TOMMY MANN. ADDRESS IS 500 WINSTEAD BUILDING IN DALLAS.
I'VE BEEN PRACTICING ZONING AND LAND USE ATTORNEY SINCE 2006 AT WINSTEAD.
I'D LIKE TO VOICE A FEW GENERAL REMARKS FOR YOU TO CONSIDER AND THEN PROVIDE YOU THE EXAMPLE OF MY CLIENT'S PROJECT, WHICH IS THE IMPETUS FOR MY APPEARANCE HERE THIS EVENING.
ONCE A PROPERTY IS RENDERED LEGALLY NONCONFORMING, THE CITY THEN HAS THE ABILITY TO TERMINATE THAT USE THROUGH A STATUTORILY PRESCRIBED PROCESS THAT, YES, REQUIRES COMPENSATION TO THE BUSINESS AND PROPERTY OWNERS.
HOWEVER, THE PROSPECT OF THAT, AS YOU MIGHT IMAGINE, BECOMES A MASSIVE DETERRENT TO TENANTS EXTENDING LEASES TO LENDERS, AGREEING TO REFINANCES, TO PURCHASERS BEING INTERESTED IN ACQUIRING A PROPERTY.
THOSE RAMIFICATIONS ARE SIGNIFICANT, AND THEY CAN BE MEANINGFULLY MITIGATED BY CHANGES TO THE LANGUAGE, WHICH I HEARD STAFF SAY ARE NEEDED, AND THAT THE INTENT OF THIS IS NOT TO AFFECT PROJECTS THAT EXIST OR THAT ARE UNDER DEVELOPMENT.
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AND THAT THEY'LL TRY TO WORK ON THAT LANGUAGE BETWEEN NOW AND THE CITY COUNCIL.OUR SIMPLE REQUEST WOULD BE THAT WE NOT MOVE FORWARD UNTIL WE HAVE A CHANCE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE FORMULATION OF THAT LANGUAGE, REVIEW THAT LANGUAGE. YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THAT LANGUAGE AND MAKE YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL, WHICH IS YOUR JOB, RIGHT? IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE PUBLIC INPUT IS THAT WELCOMED WHEN THE NOTICES GO OUT IN A CHRISTMAS STOCKING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE HOLIDAYS, WITH A GOAL OF COMPLETING THE PROCESS IN SIX WEEKS? WE LAUD THE INTENT. IF THE GOAL IS TO PREVENT OFFICE BUILDINGS FROM BEING RETROFITTED INTO MANUFACTURING FACILITIES BECAUSE THE OFFICE MARKET HAS CRASHED.
UNFORTUNATELY, THE WAY IT'S DRAFTED. TAKE THE EXAMPLE OF MY CLIENT'S PROJECT, WE WENT AND OBTAINED A SITE SPECIFIC PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT AT THE END OF 2023 FOR A TEN BUILDING DISTRIBUTION PROJECT WITH A CAPITALIZATION OF $300 MILLION.
WE ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE.
WE HAVE CLOSED ON THE LAND ON THE NORTHERN SIDE.
TO DO THAT, OUR PROJECT OF THAT SCALE REQUIRES AGREEMENTS WITH LENDERS, INVESTORS, ALL OF WHOM WE HAVE AGREEMENTS AND FIDUCIARY DUTIES TO WHO AGREED TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROJECT BASED ON OUR REPRESENTATION THAT NO FURTHER DISCRETIONARY APPROVALS, MEANING CITY COUNCIL APPROVALS WERE NECESSARY FOR US TO PROCEED.
IT WAS ACCURATE WHEN WE REPRESENTED THAT TO THEM.
IF THIS IS PASSED, THAT WILL BECOME INACCURATE.
WE WILL HAVE TO GO REPRESENT TO THEM THAT IT HAS CHANGED.
AND YOU CAN IMAGINE THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THAT.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE INTENTION OF THIS. THAT'S ONE EXAMPLE OF WHY WE SHOULD PROBABLY REVISIT EXACTLY HOW WE'RE DOING THIS, AND TRY TO DO IT WITH MORE OF A SCALPEL THAN AN AX.
LASTLY, THE NOTICE THAT EVERYONE DID RECEIVE IS REQUIRED.
IT HASN'T BEEN INDICATED THAT THAT WAS PROVIDED, I DON'T KNOW.
ALL OF THE FOREGOING, WE THINK, ARE GOOD REASONS TO PRESS PAUSE FOR A MINUTE, LEAN MORE INPUT, SEE IF WE CAN'T FIND A PATH FORWARD THAT ACCOMPLISHES YOUR GOAL WITHOUT NEGATIVELY ACCIDENTALLY IMPACTING A LOT OF EXISTING PROJECTS AND BUSINESSES.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. HELLO, I'M HENRY WRIGHT, 1403 SEMINOLE DRIVE, RICHARDSON, TEXAS. I'M A DEVELOPER CURRENTLY BUILDING A PROJECT HERE IN LEWISVILLE ON VALLEY RIDGE BOULEVARD.
AND IT IS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. THE REQUIREMENT THAT'S PROPOSED.
I UNDERSTAND THE STAFF'S STANCE IN WANTING TO PROTECT SOME EXISTING USES IN CERTAIN PARTS OF LEWISVILLE, BUT THE PAINTING WITH THE BROAD BRUSH AND PUTTING THAT SUP REQUIREMENT ON EVERY LIGHT INDUSTRIAL PROJECT, WHETHER IT IS IN A INDUSTRIAL ZONE OR IN A RETAIL ZONE, IS A REALLY HARSH RESPONSE TO TO WHAT THE ACTUAL GOAL IS. THE REQUIREMENT IS A TIME CONSUMING PROCESS.
FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, WHEN I EVALUATE SITES AND ADDITIONALLY FROM MY TENANTS PERSPECTIVES AS THEY EVALUATE OPPORTUNITIES, THE TIME COMPONENT, AS BUSINESSES LOOK TO EXPAND INTO OUR MARKET HERE IN LEWISVILLE, OR HAVE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES IN OTHER CITIES. IF IF WE PUT MORE BARRIERS IN PLACE, WE ARE GOING TO DRIVE AWAY GOOD BUSINESS AND IT DOESN'T MAKE GOOD SENSE.
AND WHEN WE ADD RISK AND WE ADD TIME TO THE PROCESS OF DOING BUSINESS, IT IMPACTS THE VALUE OF LAND, IT IMPACTS THE VALUE OF THE BUILDINGS THAT WE'RE BUILDING AND THE BUSINESSES THAT WE GET.
AND SO I THINK THAT I AGREE WITH SOME OF THE OTHER COMMENTS THAT PERHAPS FINDING SOME DIFFERENT WORDING, MAYBE THIS STEP PROCESS COULD BE AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE A PLANNING AND ZONING HEARING THAT WOULD CUT DOWN THE TIME COMPONENT OF THE PROCESS.
BUT NONETHELESS, WHEN A TENANT OR A DEVELOPER HEARS THE WORDS AN SUP IS REQUIRED.
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IF THEY'RE GIVEN OTHER OPPORTUNITIES IN THE MARKET NEARBY THAT DO NOT REQUIRE IT.THEY WILL LIKELY GO THERE. IT IS EASIER TO DO BUSINESS IN THOSE MARKETS.
AND AND SO THAT IS THAT'S A SCARY WORD FOR SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MEANS.
BUT FOR SOMEONE WHO UNDERSTANDS WHAT IT MEANS AND THE REALITY OF HAVING TO COME BEFORE A PUBLIC HEARING IN MULTIPLE WAYS AND PHASES, AND THOSE CAN BE VERY NEGATIVE AT TIMES. IT'S JUST IT'S SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE WOULD RATHER NOT DO.
AND SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE FIND DIFFERENT LANGUAGE THAT ACHIEVES THE GOAL THAT MAYBE DOESN'T REQUIRE AN SUP OR IF IT HAS TO. COULD THAT SUP BE ADMINISTRATIVE? AGAIN, THIS IMPACTS THE VALUE OF LAND.
VACANT LAND IS WITH THIS AMENDMENT WILL BE LESS VALUABLE AND IT WILL NOT DRIVE DEVELOPMENT IN YOUR CITY, WHICH WILL IS. YOU KNOW, THIS ISN'T GOOD FOR ANYBODY FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. MY NAME IS HUBINGER.
I'M NOT AS WELL VERSED ON ALL OF THIS AS SOME OF THESE PEOPLE ARE, BUT I AM A LANDOWNER.
I OWN A COUPLE OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES IN LEWISVILLE 810 NORTH SIMMONS AND 750 VALLEY RIDGE CIRCLE, WHICH ARE AUTOMOTIVE SLASH LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. AND I JUST HAVE TO SAY THAT I HAVE BEEN DISMAYED AT HOW ANTI-BUSINESS, PARTICULARLY TOWARDS THINGS LIKE MANUFACTURING AND AUTOMOTIVE.
THIS CITY HAS BEEN. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT.
YOU CAN SEE I GOT ALL DRESSED UP FOR YOU BECAUSE I'VE BEEN DOING GUESS WHAT? MANUFACTURING STUFF ALL DAY LONG. AND YOU KNOW, I HAVE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS INVESTED IN THIS PROPERTY.
I HAVE TENANTS THAT USE SOME OF IT, I USE SOME OF IT.
AND I HAVE HAD ONGOING ISSUES WITH HOW THE CITY WANTS TO INTERFERE IN THE RECENT EXPANSION OF 35. THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE. THE CITY SOMEHOW CAME UP WITH A SPECIAL PROPOSITION.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TERMINOLOGY IS, BUT CERTAIN PROPERTIES THEY WERE GOING TO IMPOSE REQUIREMENTS TO PUT IN MORE TREES AND, AND, YOU KNOW, DO THAT SORT OF THING. WELL, WHEN I CAME IN AND TALKED TO THE CITY ABOUT IT, GUESS WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO WITH THE THREE PARKING PLACES I HAD LEFT IN FRONT OF MY BUILDING? THEY WANTED ME TO TAKE OUT THE HANDICAPPED PARKING SPOT AND PUT IN A TREE.
WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON HERE? I CAN'T BELIEVE WHAT NONSENSE GOES ON IN HERE.
LET'S GET REAL. WE WORK. WE WORK HARD AND WE PAY TAXES.
GIVE US A BREAK, PLEASE. THANK YOU. SIR.
JEFF TRAYLOR. JEFF TRAYLOR I'M FROM BARTLESVILLE.
I'VE OWNED PROPERTY HERE IN LEWISVILLE. AND NOW OVER 20 YEARS.
MY LARGEST CHALLENGE WITH THE CITY COMES WHEN YOU HAVE TO GO BEFORE STAFF.
STAFF HAS A VISION OF WHAT THEY WANT THE CITY TO BE.
THAT MAY BE BEING HANDED DOWN FROM THE COUNCIL, WHOEVER IT IS AT THE TIME.
BUT THEY HAVE OPINIONS AND A LOT OF TIMES THOSE OPINIONS AREN'T REFLECTED IN CODE.
FOR EXAMPLE, I WANT TO DRIVE. IS THAT THE PIECE OF PAPER THAT WE GOT? NOT THE LITTLE THING, BUT THE FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS SAYS THAT THIS IS NOT A ZONING ORDINANCE CHANGE YET IT'S AN AMENDMENT TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE. WHEN I HAVE A BUILDING, I HAVE A CLUSTER OF SIX, FOR EXAMPLE. AND THOSE SIX BUILDINGS, THE TENANTS STAY FOR A YEAR, STAY FOR TEN YEARS, AND THEN THEY CHANGE.
THEY MOVE OUT, NEW ONES COME IN. THE PROPERTY IS STATIC.
IT'S ALL CONCRETE. NOTHING IS BEING ADDED. NO BUILDINGS ARE BEING CHANGED.
THE TENANTS ARE JUST MOVING IN AND OUT. IT'S AN INDUSTRIAL AREA.
IT HAPPENS TO BE RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT, WHICH IS FUNNY ENOUGH.
I WAS ONE OF MY TENANTS WAS ALLOWED TO MAKE AMMUNITION THERE AND EXPLOSIVES, EVEN THOUGH WITHIN 500FT OF THAT BUILDING THERE ARE HOMES, YET THEY FIT WITHIN THAT CRITERIA. THE GENTLEMAN STOOD UP HERE AND SAID IT WOULD NOT AFFECT ME THAT THIS CHANGE WILL HAVE NO IMPACT BECAUSE THE BUILDINGS AREN'T GOING TO CHANGE.
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IT'S ALL GOOD. BUT THEN AS HE MOVES ALONG, HE SAYS, WELL, THAT'S A CHANGE OF USE.WELL, WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT. TODAY, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF MY USE CHANGES BECAUSE IT ALL FITS WITHIN THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL CATEGORY, RIGHT? SO MY GUYS CAN COME IN, GO GET A CEO, MAKE SURE LIFE AND SAFETY DO ALL OF THAT.
BUT ONCE THERE CHANGE AND HIS HOPEFUL WORDING THAT HE'LL PUT IN AT SOME POINT BETWEEN NOW AND THE CITY COUNCIL GETS IT WOULD ADDRESS THIS SO THAT I ONLY HAVE TO COME BEFORE THEM AND ASK, CAN I HAVE PERMISSION, PLEASE, TO HAVE A TENANT THAT WOULD HAVE FIT PRIOR TO THIS WITH NO CHANGES TO THE BUILDINGS OR THE LANDSCAPES? BUT I HAVE TO GO TO THEM FOR THIS.
MY CONCERN HERE IS CLEAR WITH MY BUILDINGS THE WAY THAT THEY ARE.
IF I DON'T CHANGE THEM, IF I DON'T ASK TO PUT A TENANT IN IT, THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE CURRENT ZONING.
BECAUSE IF I DO THAT TODAY, I HAVE TO GET A SPECIAL USE.
I LIVE BY THAT RULE. I GO FORWARD WITH THAT RULE.
BUT IN THE FUTURE, GIVEN THE WAY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO THIS IN THE SHORT TIME THAT THEY'VE GOTTEN IT, AND OBVIOUSLY, BY HIS OWN COMMENT, IT HAS DEFICIENCIES CURRENTLY.
AND ON THE OTHER PREVIOUS TWO PEOPLE THAT CAME BEFORE US, THEY WERE DENIED BY YOU BECAUSE OF, OH YEAH, DEFICIENCIES. SO AT THIS POINT, IT'S CLEAR THEY'RE NOT GOING TO LEAVE US ALONE.
I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO SAY, HEY, DON'T STOP PEOPLE FROM TEARING DOWN SOMETHING AND PUTTING SOMETHING UP BIG AND UGLY, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S YOUR CHOICE.
THAT YOU WERE APPOINTED TO THIS BOARD TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS.
BUT I'M TELLING YOU, THE VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM HAVE BUILDINGS, HAVE BUSINESSES THAT WILL HAVE TENANTS COME IN AND GO OUT AND THE BUILDINGS WILL NOT CHANGE, AND THEY WILL ALL FUNCTION WITH UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF LIGHT INDUSTRIAL OR WAREHOUSING OR WHATEVER THE CATEGORIZATION IS THAT THEY'RE UNDER, AND THEY WILL CREATE NO PROBLEMS FOR THE CITY.
WITH THIS CHANGE, YOU WILL CREATE PROBLEMS FOR US.
YOU WILL CREATE TIME LIABILITY, AND TO GET AN SUP IN THIS TOWN IS LIKE GIVING BIRTH TO JESUS.
I'M NOT LYING TO YOU. IT'S. IT'S IMPOSSIBLE. I HAVE 22 SECONDS.
I ALSO WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I'VE SERVED ON COUNCIL IN ANOTHER SMALL TOWN.
I KNOW THAT A LINE OF PEOPLE STANDING IN FRONT OF YOU SUCKS.
BUT JUST REMEMBER, THEY'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM A BUREAUCRATIC STANDPOINT.
SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL.
THEY'VE GOT A PLANT HERE IN LEWISVILLE SINCE APPARENTLY IN 1970S.
ET CETERA. THAT IS HELPFUL TO MY CLIENT. I DID WANT TO SHOW YOU SOMETHING THAT DOES CAUSE.
MYSELF AND MY CLIENT SOME CONCERN, AND IT'S OUT OF THE MASTER PLAN.
OUT. UPDATE THAT WAS PUBLISHED BY THE CITY OF LEWISVILLE REGARDING FUTURE PLANNING.
AND IT SHOWS MY CLIENT'S BUSINESS GONE. SO ON THE ONE HAND, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A AN ASSERTION THAT'S NOT GOING TO AFFECT EXISTING USES.
IF SO, SOMEONE WHO MADE THIS THINKS IT'S GOING TO BE GONE SOMETIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
WHICH NATURALLY IS OF QUITE A CONCERN. AND THAT AND THAT APPLIES TO OTHER BUILDINGS IN THIS THIS ZONE THAT, THAT A FUTURE PLANNING THAT'S, BEING PROPOSED.
WHEN SOMEONE WITHIN CITY OF LEWISVILLE IS IS ENVISIONING THESE BUSINESSES AS BEING GONE.
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SO NATURALLY, THAT'S GOING TO BE A GREAT CONCERN.SO SOME CLARIFICATION ON THAT WOULD BE SUPER HELPFUL.
AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. I'VE SERVED ON THE BOARD MYSELF.
NOT AN EASY JOB. THANK YOU SIR. I'M BUCKY GILLETTE FROM MCKINNEY, TEXAS. I HAVE A CURRENTLY WE HAVE A THREE BUILDING PROJECT UNDER CONSTRUCTION HERE IN THE CITY OF LEWISVILLE.
WE HAVE ACTUALLY ONE BUYER. IT'S THREE INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS.
AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE REASON THAT WE'RE BUILDING HERE IS BECAUSE OF THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING IN ITS CURRENT SHAPE AND FORM, IT WAS VERY ACCOMMODATING. IT WAS SOMETHING THAT IT WAS VERY SIMPLE TO PRESENT TO OUR INVESTORS, OUR CAPITAL PARTNERS. IT'S ABOUT A $20 MILLION PROJECT.
WE'RE HEAVILY INVESTED IN IT. AND TO SEE ALL OF A SUDDEN GET BLINDSIDED BY THIS, FOR I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE URGENCY THAT WE NEED TO GET THIS DONE TODAY. I'M SURE COUNSEL GAVE YOU DIRECTIVE.
I'M NOT SURE WHY, BUT WHY IN THE WORLD IS THIS THING SO URGENT THAT WE HAVE TO GET THIS APPROVED TODAY? THERE'S BETTER WAYS TO DO ACHIEVE WHAT YOUR GOALS ARE, WHAT COUNCIL'S GOALS ARE, BUT TO TRY TO LIMIT USES AND DEFINE THEM OUTSIDE OF THE TERMS OF LIGHT INDUSTRIAL IS LUDICROUS.
OKAY. IT HAS YOU CANNOT TALK TO USERS ABOUT OR YOUR MEDIUM INTENSITY HEAVY INTENSITY.
I'M LIKE, ARE YOU KIDDING? THIS IS CRAZY. I'M FROM CALIFORNIA ORIGINALLY.
I ESCAPED TEN YEARS AGO. I CAN TELL YOU. THAT'S CRAZY.
THIS IS CRAZY. JUST LIKE IT. AND IT'S LIKE IT MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL.
THIS CAN BE DONE A LOT BETTER WAY. IT NEEDS TO BE THOUGHT OUT BETTER.
STAFF CAN CAN GET BACK AT IT WITH INTERFACING WITH ALL THE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM.
WE CAN COME TO A BETTER CONCLUSION. THERE IS NO URGENCY THAT WE HAVE TO APPROVE THIS.
TODAY, ON JANUARY 7TH, WE'RE ALL BACK FROM VACATION.
WE GET THESE NOTICES HERE. OBVIOUSLY EVERYBODY'S EXCITED.
BUT COUNCIL'S GOT THIS THING ON A FAST TRACK FOR GOD KNOWS WHY.
BUT LET'S PUT THE BRAKES ON IT AND LET'S JUST MOVE.
THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS GREG SMITH. I'M THE GENERAL MANAGER OF OWENS MACHINING TOOL.
WE'RE AT 561 NORTH COWAN. A LOCATION THAT WE'VE BEEN AT FOR 20 YEARS.
WE'RE PART OF THE PRECISION AEROSPACE HOLDINGS GROUP.
WE PARTICIPATE IN THE NATION'S DEFENSE, AND WE'RE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT WHAT WE DO.
I AM NOT A LAND USE ATTORNEY. I AM NOT A REALTOR.
I AM NOT A DEVELOPER. I'M AN ENGINEER. I WOULD BE MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE TALKING TO YOU ABOUT EXO ATMOSPHERIC INTERCEPTION OF INTERCONTINENTAL BALLISTIC MISSILES AND THE LOGARITHMIC MATH THAT'S REQUIRED TO DO THAT. THAN I AM TALKING ABOUT THIS TOPIC.
BUT I AM PASSIONATE ABOUT WHAT WE DO. WE HAVE 100 EMPLOYEES IN THE METROPLEX.
ABOUT 30 OF THEM ARE AT OWENS WE LOVE OUR BUSINESS.
WE LOVE WHAT WE DO FOR THE COUNTRY. WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE LANGUAGE HERE, ABOUT THE SPECIAL USE PERMITTING, BECAUSE WE ARE VERY ACTIVE AT THE MOMENT BECAUSE OF WARS.
WARS IN THE MIDDLE EAST. WARS IN UKRAINE. WE WILL PROBABLY BE EXPANDING OUR BUSINESS.
WE ARE HIRING MORE PEOPLE. WE HAVE BEEN HIRING ALL YEAR.
WE HAVE MORE LAND BEHIND US. WE ARE WITHIN 500FT OF RESIDENTIAL USES.
WE ARE ALSO DIRECTLY AGAINST OUR FRONT STREET.
OUR LOADING DOCK FACES FORWARD TOWARDS OUR FRONT STREET.
WE HAVE NO ROOM FOR A 50 FOOT BUFFER. WE HAVE NO ROOM.
WE CAN ADD A TREE. WE HAVE A REALLY NICE OAK IN FRONT, BUT WE'LL ADD A SECOND OAK.
BUT WE WOULD. WE WOULD HAVE A HARD TIME MEETING REQUIREMENTS.
SO WE WOULD BE BACK ASKING FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
AND THAT MAKES EVERYBODY IN OUR OWNERSHIP GROUP NERVOUS.
I'LL BE BRIEF. I DON'T WANT TO TAKE UP A LOT OF TIME. I'LL JUST TELL YOU MASSIVE CONCERNS FOR US ABOUT HOW THE LANGUAGE OF THIS WILL ACTUALLY BE WRITTEN, WHAT WILL REALLY BE REQUIRED OF US WHEN WE GO TO EXPAND.
I, YOU KNOW, SPENT A LOT OF TIME TODAY ON THE PHONE WITH OUR CEO AND OUR CFO AND OUR LAWYERS, WHO SAID, MAKE IT CLEAR, IF WE CAN'T EXPAND HERE, WE'LL END UP EXPANDING SOMEWHERE IN THE METROPLEX.
IT MAY BE IN IRVING, IT MAY BE AT OUR FACILITY IN FLOWER MOUND.
IT MAY BE AT OUR FACILITY IN DECATUR, AND WE HAVE OTHER OPTIONS.
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BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO BE EXPANDING HERE, HIRING PEOPLE HERE, PAYING PROPERTY TAXES HERE.THAT'S MY ASK. DON'T MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR US TO DO THAT.
THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT.
GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. I'M ROBERT ALLEN WITH FIRST INDUSTRIAL REALTY TRUST. FIRST INDUSTRIAL.
I'M THE REGIONAL DIRECTOR FOR FIRST INDUSTRIAL. FIRST INDUSTRIAL OWNS FIVE INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS, AND WE HAVE CURRENTLY A SIXTH THAT'S KIND OF IN YOU KNOW, BEING BEING DESIGNED.
83 ACRES OF IT. SO THE INITIAL PROPERTY THAT WE PURCHASED ACTUALLY FROM AGRICULTURAL OPEN TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL BECAUSE THAT USE WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN OF LEWISVILLE. AND NOW I'M SITTING HERE TODAY BECAUSE THE PROPOSED CHANGES POTENTIALLY YOU KNOW LIMIT OR ELIMINATE REALLY THE USES THAT THE FIVE CURRENT BUILDINGS WERE ORIGINALLY DESIGNED FOR THEIR WAREHOUSE DISTRIBUTION BUILDINGS, AND THAT'S REALLY ALL THAT THEY ARE EVER REALLY GOING TO BE, THAT THE TENANTS THAT ARE IN THERE TODAY ARE ALL DISTRIBUTION WITH MAYBE SOME SOME ACCESS, YOU KNOW, SOME ANCILLARY LIGHT. YOU KNOW, LIGHT.
LIGHT MANUFACTURING. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WITH THE PROPOSED CHANGES AS OUR CURRENT AS IT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY WOULD ALL BECOME, YOU KNOW, LEGAL, NONCONFORMING USES WHICH COULD BE TERMINATED AT ANY TIME.
THE OTHER THING IS THAT AS THE TENANTS CHANGE, THEY, THEY MOVE OUT.
IF I GO TO RE TENANT IT, DEPENDING UPON THE GRANDFATHERING CONCEPT WHICH EXPIRES, IF, YOU KNOW, THE SPACE SITS VACANT FOR SIX MONTHS. I MEAN, I EFFECTIVELY HAVE BUILDINGS THAT I CAN'T LEASE.
AND SO OUR VALUES WILL BE MATERIALLY IMPACTED.
AND, YOU KNOW, AS A LOT OF THE OTHER PEOPLE TONIGHT HAVE MENTIONED, I MEAN, THE PROCESS IS ONEROUS.
AND IN A MARKET AS COMPETITIVE AS DFW, YOU KNOW, AS TENANTS ARE LOOKING AT POTENTIAL OPTIONS OF WHERE THEY COULD LEASE AS SOON AS THEY SEE THE PROCESS, THERE'S ANOTHER OPTION THAT'S SIMILAR THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE IT.
VALUES ARE GOING TO DECREASE. AND YOU KNOW HOPEFULLY YOU KNOW, GIVE SOME CONSIDERATION, MAYBE PUT THIS PROCESS ON HOLD UNTIL WE CAN FIND SOME REASONABLE LANGUAGE TO ACCOMMODATE KIND OF THE EXISTING BUILDINGS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU SIR. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS MIKE MAHONEY, AND I OWN AN INDUSTRIAL FLINT INDUSTRIAL ZONE PROPERTY.
I'M NICK LANE, AND I'M SURROUNDED BY PROPERTY, ONE OF THEM BEING PUBLIC SERVICES, WHICH IS GOING TO DOUBLE IN SIZE WHEN THEY COMBINE WITH WASTE MANAGEMENT. MY CONCERNS HAVE BEEN ALREADY VOCALIZED, BUT I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT BEING ABLE TO SELL THE PROPERTY TO A DEVELOPER OR SOMEBODY THAT WANTS TO DEVELOP INTO ANY OF THE OTHER THINGS WHICH COULD DEVALUE OR NOT MAKE THE SALE GO THROUGH. THE ONLY CRITERIA THAT I'M SUBJECT TO IS THE MOBILE HOME PARK WITHIN 500FT AND THAT MY STREETS ARE NOT, NOT DEVELOPED OR. YEAH. AND SO MOST IMPORTANTLY, I THINK THE LANGUAGE THAT TO DEFINE THE SCP IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANYTHING, NOT NOT JUST THE BROAD BRUSH, AS PEOPLE HAVE SAID, BUT TO DEFINE IT MORE CLEAR, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT TRASH TRUCKS GOING AROUND CIRCLES THAT I WOULD BE, THAT MY PROPERTY WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THAT TYPE OF DENIAL FOR THAT TYPE OF SAP, AND THAT'S IT.
ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK? GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL CHRIS SCARBOROUGH. THE NAME YOU COULD NOT PRONOUNCE. OH, PLEASE PRONOUNCE IT SO I KNOW THE CORRECT.
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IT IS SCARBOROUGH. WOULD YOU LIKE A BUSINESS CARD? I COULDN'T ACTUALLY READ IT, SO I WOULD.BE. WASN'T THAT HARD? THANK YOU. THAT WOULD KNOW AS MUCH AS EVERYONE ELSE.
THAT HELPS A LOT. WE'LL GET THAT INTO THE PUBLIC RECORD CORRECTLY.
THE QUIETLY NON-CONFORMING VERBIAGE IS I'VE HEARD A LOT OF PEOPLE ASK WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.
WELL, IN 20 YEARS OF BEING HERE, I'VE TRIED TO PURCHASE THE OLD HARDWARE STORE.
IT WAS DENIED BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO TURN IT INTO A PARKING LOT.
YOU DID, BUT IT'S NOT A PARKING LOT NOW. THEN I TRIED TO PURCHASE THE BUS BARN.
OR ACTUALLY, IT'S NOT THE BUS BARN. IT WAS THE IT WAS A PAYLESS.
PAYLESS? I TRIED TO BUY THE PAYLESS BUILD IT.
BEING HERE, I WAS TOLD NO, CAN'T USE IT FOR WHAT IT IS.
NO OUTSIDE PARKING. WHAT HAS IT GOT? ANYBODY SEEING THAT? OUTSIDE PARKING? HOW CAN THE CITY DO THIS? IT'S WITH PUSH THROUGH WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW.
I REMEMBER WHEN ALL THE HOUSES WERE RIGHT HERE.
I DON'T THINK ANY OF Y'ALL ARE HERE. I WATCHED THIS BUILDING GET BUILT.
I WATCHED PEOPLE GET PUSHED OUT. I WATCHED MY FRIENDS WHO HAD BUSINESSES ON MAIN GET KICKED OUT BECAUSE YOU TOOK OVER THE STREETS, PUT IN PARKING. IT LOOKS BEAUTIFUL. ABSOLUTELY.
I COULD SEE THAT. BUT BUSINESSES GOT KICKED OUT.
APARTMENTS WENT UP. THAT'S ALL IT IS. IT'S REVENUE.
CONSISTENT. YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT. YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT.
SO EVERYONE AND YOU ALL HAVE A CHECK. I GET IT.
IT'S BUSINESS 101. BUT AT WHAT EXPENSE? I JUST ASKED YOU TO PUSH THIS AT LEAST A COUPLE OF MONTHS.
READ THE VERBIAGE. BECAUSE WHAT'S HAPPENING TODAY WILL ILL IMPACT EVERYBODY IN HERE AT SOME POINT, LIKE THE GUYS SAID BEHIND ME, THEY GOT BUILDINGS, THEY'RE GOT TENANTS, THEY'RE PAYING BILLS.
THIS GOES THROUGH. THE NEXT GUY COMING IN MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO USE IT.
THEY'RE GOING TO SELL THAT BUILDING. IT'S GOING TO DEVALUE. ANOTHER APARTMENT COMPLEX WILL GO UP.
I THINK WE OUGHT TO WATCH THAT. THINK ABOUT EVERYBODY WHO'S BEEN IN THIS ROOM.
I SEE SOME OF MY FRIENDS I'VE KNOWN FOR 30 YEARS THERE.
DON'T PUSH IT. LET'S LOOK AT IT. LET'S MAKE IT HAPPEN.
PAUL BOSCO, 4509 MAHOGANY LANE, COPPER CANYON.
I'VE OWNED BUSINESSES PROPERTIES IN LEWISVILLE LEWISVILLE SINCE 1983.
FIRST OF ALL, I'VE BEEN ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT DESK.
I'VE BEEN ON BOARDS UNDER VARIOUS ART. COPPER CANYON DOUBLE OAK STUDIED FOR TRAFFIC CONTROL.
BUT PLEASE LISTEN TO EVERYBODY HEAR WHAT THEY'RE SAYING.
I SAY THAT THIS IS BEING KIND OF FAST TRACKED FOR A REASON.
A PIECE OF PROPERTY SOMEPLACE, SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S COMING IN.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS. THAT'S MY FEELING. BASED AGAIN ON MY EXPERIENCES.
BUT IF YOU. YOU CANNOT APPROVE ANYTHING TONIGHT BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE APPROVING.
YOU DON'T YOU DON'T HAVE AN IDEA THAT THERE WAS A STATEMENT MADE THREE TIMES IN THE PRESENTATION.
WE WILL CHANGE THE LANGUAGE BEFORE WE GET TO COUNCIL.
WE WILL IMPROVE ON WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING HERE WHEN WE PRESENT IT TO COUNCIL.
WELL, YOU CAN'T APPROVE. WHAT? YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE APPROVING.
THE CONVERSATIONS WE'RE HAVING TONIGHT RIGHT NOW SHOULD BE OVER WITH AT THIS POINT.
WHEN THEY SAY WE'RE GOING TO MAKE CHANGES TO THE LANGUAGE THAT WE'RE ASKING YOU TO APPROVE TONIGHT,
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THAT'S SIMPLE. THAT'S IT. BUT THAT AS IT MAY BE, THE THE BLANKET. AMENDMENT DOESN'T FIT ALL PROPERTIES.PROBABLY FITS. ONLY A FEW SELECT PROPERTIES THAT ARE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL LARGER PROPERTIES OR IN AREAS THAT DON'T FIT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL MORE BECAUSE OF WHAT ELSE WAS DEVELOPED AROUND THEM. SO YOU SHOULD SELECT THOSE PROPERTIES, TALK TO THOSE OWNERS, DO WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO TO WORK WITH THEM AND MAKE THOSE PROPERTIES FIT THE AREA.
YOU CAN'T MAKE EVERYBODY THAT HAS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
TENANTS WE HAVE TENANTS THAT COME AND GO MAYBE EVERY TWO YEARS, THREE YEARS WE CAN'T.
AND WHEN THEY COME AND A TENANT COMES TO OUR BUILDING, THEY'RE USUALLY IN LOOK IN NEED OF A PLACE A WEEK, A MONTH, BUT NO MORE THAN THAT. THEY'LL GO. THEY'LL FIND SOMEPLACE ELSE BEFORE THAT TO GET AN SUP.
IT'S PROBABLY A MINIMUM OF TWO MONTHS IF EVERYTHING GOES REALLY GOOD.
SO THERE'S NO REASON TO FAST TRACK THIS THING.
AND YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE APPROVING. IF IT COMES DOWN TO NOTHING ELSE.
SO I'M GOING TO ASK THAT YOU TABLE THIS THING UNTIL THE CORRECT LANGUAGE IS FURNISHED TO YOU TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION ON OUR BEHALF, APPARENTLY. SO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME BEING ON THAT SIDE OF THE DESK AND LISTENING TO US.
I HAVE ONE QUICK THING TO SAY. THIS IS NOT APPROPRIATE BUSINESS LITERATURE.
GUYS, THIS IS NOT. THIS IS NOT HOW YOU SEND OUT A NOTICE.
THE CITY. IF I NEED MY GRASS CUT ON MY LOT, I GET A LEWISVILLE LETTER ON LEWISVILLE STATIONERY.
EXPLAIN EVERYTHING. THIS LOOKS LIKE JUNK MAIL.
OUR FIRST RESPONSE WHEN WE GOT THIS WAS TO TOSS IT ASIDE IN THE JUNK MAIL STACKED.
AND THEN IT WAS EITHER ME OR MY WIFE LOOKED AT IT CLOSER AND SAID, OH, THIS IS FROM LEWISVILLE.
THIS IS NOT APPROPRIATE LITERATURE FOR YOU GUYS TO SEND OUT FOR NOTICES.
THIS RIGHT HERE WILL GET YOU IN LAWSUIT GOING.
YOU GUYS NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND DO IT CORRECTLY LIKE BUSINESS PEOPLE.
THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY FOR THIS EVENING.
LAST CALL. ANYONE ELSE NEEDING TO SPEAK? HAVING NO ONE COME FORWARD, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
YES, MA'AM. I UNDERSTAND WHAT Y'ALL ARE TRYING TO DO, BUT MY PROBLEM IS THIS.
WAIT WAIT WAIT. STOP. STOP UNTIL YOU GET TO THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE, SO THAT WE CAN HEAR YOU UP.
AND. EXCUSE ME. CHAIRMAN. ONE SECOND. CHAIRMAN, WOULD YOU MIND JUST YOU CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? WOULD YOU MIND REOPENING IT SO SHE MAY SPEAK? I WAS GETTING READY TO DO.
I NEED TO REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND THEN I WILL LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU.
I REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I UNDERSTAND THAT Y'ALL TRYING TO MOVE EVERYTHING FAST.
TRACK. WE DON'T KNOW WHY. AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO TELL US WHY, BUT AROUND THIS WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD, I'VE BEEN HERE MY WHOLE LIFE. I'M 51. I GREW UP HERE.
I WENT TO ALL THE SCHOOLS HERE, BUT WE HAVE SEVERAL SCHOOLS THAT ARE CLOSING FOR 2026 AND 2526.
WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH THESE CHILDREN? YOU'RE GETTING MORE AND MORE PEOPLE COMING IN FROM CALIFORNIA, FLORIDA, ALL THESE HIGH PRICED STATES. YOU'RE GETTING ALL THESE PEOPLE COMING IN FROM THEM, THEM STATES. WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO PUT THESE PEOPLE? AND THESE KIDS? WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT LIKE LITTLE KIDS.
ARE WE TALKING ABOUT ELEMENTARY SCHOOL KIDS? AND THEY'RE COMING WITH SEVEN, EIGHT, NINE, TEN KIDS.
AND YOU'RE CLOSING SCHOOLS ALREADY? NOT THIS YEAR YET, BUT IT'LL BE BETWEEN NOW AND NEXT YEAR.
YOU'RE CLOSING, I WANT TO SAY FIVE SCHOOLS AND TWO MIDDLE SCHOOLS AND SOME STUFF IN FIVE MINUTES.
THEY'RE CLOSING SCHOOLS. WHY? BUT YOU YOU. IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO ALL THAT, THEN WHY DON'T YOU TRY TO GET SOME OF THAT LAND AND DO WHAT Y'ALL NEED TO DO, THE STUFF THAT YOU'RE CLOSING DOWN. BUT WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY YOU'RE CLOSING SCHOOLS DOWN. NO ONE'S GOING TO TELL US THAT EITHER.
WE JUST WE'RE RESHUFFLING KIDS AROUND RIGHT NOW.
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I HAVE SEVERAL NIECES AND NEPHEWS THAT ARE BEING SHUFFLED.NOT YET, BUT BETWEEN NOW AND NEXT THEY'RE GOING TO BE SHUFFLED TO DIFFERENT SCHOOLS.
THEY'RE CLOSING THE SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR MAID PARK.
THEY'RE CLOSING ALL THESE SCHOOLS DOWN THERE.
WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO PLACE THESE KIDS. WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO GO? WE HAVE MORE KIDS AND THE POPULATION IS GETTING SO MUCH BIGGER.
BUT YET WE'RE CLOSING SCHOOLS, TOWNS, AND YET WE'RE TRYING TO BUY UP LAND AROUND EVERYTHING ELSE.
WHAT ABOUT HOMEOWNERS? I DON'T HAVE A HOME OWNER.
MY MOM, I HAVE COUSINS, I HAVE THEM, I HAVE A HOME.
I'M GETTING CALLS, LETTERS ABOUT MY HOUSE. MY MOM'S GETTING CALLS ABOUT HER HOUSE, SELLING HER HOUSE, HER PROPERTY. ON 635. WILLOW EVERYBODY'S CALLING ABOUT THAT PROPERTY.
THEY WANT THAT. WHY ARE Y'ALL WANTING TO TAKE STUFF FROM PEOPLE WHETHER BLACK, WHITE, MEXICAN, ANY COLOR? WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO TAKE PEOPLE'S LAND FROM THEM? ARE Y'ALL GOING TO GIVE US SOME MONEY TO GET US A NEW HOME? WHAT'S A WAS $100,000. THAT'S NOT GOING TO PAY FOR MY LAND.
THAT'S NOT GOING TO PAY FOR IT. MY GRANDMA BEEN THERE LAST YEAR.
SINCE THE 70S AND 80S AND 90S. I GREW UP ON THAT HOUSE, THAT STREET.
BUT YOU GO DOWN THERE NOW. IT'S A DESERT. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU LOOKING AT? BECAUSE EVERYTHING HAS BEEN TAKEN OVER FROM ALL THE INDUSTRIAL STUFF.
AND THEN YOU'RE STEADY TRYING TO BUY UP AND YOU'RE SEEING PEOPLE.
TAXES ARE BEHIND IT. MY GRANDMOTHER'S TAXES AREN'T.
THEY'RE NOT. BUT Y'ALL SAYING Y'ALL WANT HER LAND, BUT YOU ONLY WANT TO OFFER HER $100,000.
HOW IS THAT GOING TO BUY HER? OR MY MOTHER AND HER SIBLINGS A NEW LAND? WHAT HAPPENS IF WE GET IN OUR HOUSES THAT WE GOT NOW, AND WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE OLD DAYS? WE GOT TO GO BACK DOWN AT WILLOW. WE AIN'T GOT NOWHERE TO GO OR STAY.
ARE Y'ALL GOING TO HELP US FIND PLACES? NO. THE HOMELESS POPULATION IS GETTING OVERRUN HERE.
EVERY TIME I GET UP, I GO TO WORK AT 3:00 IN THE MORNING.
I SEE PEOPLE WALKING AROUND. IT'S COLD AS HELL OUTSIDE.
WHERE ARE YOU PUTTING THESE HOMELESS PEOPLE? YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO PUT THEM UP THERE.
YOU. YOU DIDN'T DO THAT. YOU SOLD IT TO A CHURCH.
THE SCHOOL BEHIND ME ON BEL AIR. THAT WAS A CHURCH.
Y'ALL BOUGHT THAT, BUT YOU CHANGED SOMETHING ELSE.
OH, YOU SOLD IT TO SOME MEXICAN PEOPLE FOR A DIFFERENT CHURCH UP THE STREET FROM THE UMBRELLA.
YOU'RE BUILDING HOUSES AND APARTMENTS RIGHT THERE. YOU'RE SHUTTING US IN.
WE CAN'T EVEN PARK AND WALK DOWN OUR STREET WITHOUT GETTING INTO REC WITH SOMEONE.
BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE AROUND. BECAUSE Y'ALL GOT SO MUCH CONSTRUCTION GOING ON.
THAT'S A BAD INTERSECTION ON BELLAIRE. YOU CAN'T SEE.
AND YOU WANT TO PUT MORE HOUSES, MORE APARTMENTS UP THERE WHEN YOU CAN'T SEE.
ALRIGHTY. AND YOU LOOKING FOR ACCENTS TO HAPPEN? ACCENTS PRONE. BELLAIRE. ALL THAT. ALL THAT YOU HAVE AND ALL THE WRECKS AND STUFF.
BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH CONSTRUCTION EVERYWHERE.
PEOPLE ARE GETTING PUSHED OUT OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS.
THEY'RE FORCED. YOU'RE FORCING TO GO OTHER PLACES.
BECAUSE OF THIS FACT, WHAT Y'ALL DOING? BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO GIVE THEM BACK PENNIES.
TO ME, THAT'S PENNIES. $100,000. THAT'S PENNIES FOR ME.
MY GRANDMA IS LIKE 4 OR 5 ACRES. IT DON'T MATTER.
THAT'S HOME. THAT'S HOME. WE HAD THE. MY MOTHER NEVER HAD THE BLOOD AND SWEAT FOR THAT LAND, BECAUSE Y'ALL WERE GOING TO GIVE IT TO US THEN, BECAUSE IT'S BACK IN SLAVERY. Y'ALL DON'T GIVE IT TO US. WE HAVE TO SWEAT FOR THAT. AND NOW Y'ALL WANT TO TAKE IT. WHY? WHY ARE WE TAKING THINGS FROM PEOPLE WHETHER IT BE BLACK, WHITE, OR PURPLE? WHY ARE WE TAKING EVERYBODY'S STUFF? CAN I COME TO YOUR HOUSE? TAKE YOUR CAR FROM YOU? NO. IT'S GOING TO BE A FIGHT. YOU'RE GOING TO CALL POLICE ON ME. YOUR SAME THING.
YOURS? SAME THING. YOURS TOO. I'M GOING TO GO TO JAIL.
IT'S YOURS. I'M GOING TO GO TO JAIL. IF I TAKE COME TO YOUR HOUSE TO TAKE Y'ALL STUFF.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR LISTENING TO MY COUSIN.
KELLY ON. LAST CALL. AND THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE TO THINK ABOUT. OKAY.
I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK ALL OF YOU.
SO THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING AND TELLING US WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR.
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COMMISSIONERS. QUESTIONS? COMMENTS. I'LL GO AHEAD AND START AND SAY I AM NOT COMFORTABLE MAKING A DECISION ON THIS TONIGHT.I YES, I, I LIVE HERE, MY HUSBAND WORKS IN A SMALL BUSINESS HERE.
HE'S BEEN HERE HIS WHOLE LIFE. I UNDERSTAND I'M NOT PAID.
THIS IS A VOLUNTEER POSITION. I GET IT, I GET IT.
I WOULD LIKE TO GET SOME GRANDFATHERING CLARIFICATION.
AND THEN THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY LANGUAGE.
A LITTLE SOLIDIFIED. AND THEN ALSO, I WANT TO DO SOME MORE RESEARCH ON THIS BEFORE I FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE GOING FORWARD WITH THIS. MADAM CHAIR. BEFORE WE MAKE A FORMAL MOTION. WELL, I'D LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING FIRST BEFORE I ALSO BELIEVE, MADAM CHAIR, THAT WE NEED TO TAKE SOME TIME TO RESEARCH THIS MATTER THOROUGHLY BEFORE ANY DECISION IS MADE.
SO I AGREE AS WELL. PLEASE LET US PROCEED. THANK YOU.
I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH MY FELLOW TWO COMMISSIONERS.
I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO THANK EVERYBODY WHO CAME HERE TONIGHT. LIKE MADAM CHAIR SAID.
MORE TIMES THAN NOT, WE'RE SPEAKING TO EMPTY ROOMS. WE WANT TO SEE YOU GUYS COME OUT. WE WANT TO YOU TO TELL US WHAT YOU'RE FEELING.
CONTRARY TO WHAT SOME SPEAKERS SAID TONIGHT, WE ARE NOT HEARTLESS.
WE LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY TOO. I'VE PUT THREE KIDS THROUGH ELLIS.
I MOVED TO LEWISVILLE WHEN I WAS 16 YEARS OLD.
I'M NOT 16 ANYMORE. OBVIOUSLY, I CARE REALLY DEEPLY ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY.
I WOULDN'T BE SITTING UP HERE AWAY FROM MY FAMILY EVERY, YOU KNOW, FIRST AND THIRD TUESDAY AND MANY OTHER DAYS, IF I DIDN'T CARE ABOUT WHAT WAS HAPPENING AND WE HEAR ALL SIDES OF IT, WE GO HOME AND WE GET ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND WE GET BERATED FOR ONLY BRINGING IN INDUSTRIAL AND WAREHOUSES, AND THEN WE HAVE TO SPEND AD NAUSEUM HOURS CONVINCING PEOPLE WHY WAREHOUSES ARE NOT THE DEVIL AND WHY MANUFACTURING IS NOT EVIL, AND WHY THOSE PEOPLE DESERVE OUR CONSIDERATION, RESPECT ALSO. AND THEN WE COME IN HERE AND THERE'S A PERCEPTION OUT THERE THAT LEWISVILLE SUCKS AND DOESN'T CARE ABOUT ANYBODY AND IS DRIVING OUT THE SMALL BUSINESSES.
NOTHING COULD BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH. I GO OUT OF MY WAY TO SUPPORT YOU GUYS.
THERE'S A LOT OF BUSINESS OWNERS IN HERE WHOSE NAMES I'M FAMILIAR WITH.
I HAVE SUPPORTED MY KIDS DIRECTLY THROUGH THE LEWISVILLE HIGH SCHOOL MARCHING BAND.
I SEE HOW YOU GUYS PUT MONEY INTO OUR PROGRAM, SUPPORT OUR KIDS ANYTIME WE NEED DONATIONS.
YOU GUYS ARE THE PEOPLE THAT WE GO TO AND YOU ALWAYS COME THROUGH.
SO I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT YOU ARE SEEN AND YOU ARE HEARD.
I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO BOTHER, YOU KNOW, REPEATING EVERYTHING BECAUSE YOU ALREADY PUT IT OUT THERE.
BUT I THINK WE NEED A LOT OF CLARIFICATION ON SOME MAJOR POINTS HERE BEFORE I FEEL COMFORTABLE PUTTING A YES ON ANYTHING AND JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT. GENTLEMEN, NO. LET ME. I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
OKAY. I MOVE MADAM CHAIR TO TABLE THIS PUBLIC HEARING FOR FURTHER REVIEW AND CONSIDERATION.
OUR NEXT MEETING IS ON THE 21ST OF JANUARY. MY QUESTION RESPONSE TO THAT WOULD BE WHEN COULD WE SEE LANGUAGE? IT WOULD BE IN YOUR YOUR PACKET THAT YOU RECEIVED THE TWO WEEKS.
YES. OKAY. TWO WEEKS. IS THAT WORK? AND THEN I MOVED TO.
AND THAT DATE IS THE 21ST. MICHELLE. CORRECT.
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IS THAT CORRECT? QUESTION FIRST. DISAPPOINTED CLARIFICATION.IF WE NEED TO HAVE A MORE WITH THE INFORMATION THAT'S PROVIDED, A MORE INTENSIVE LEGAL REVIEW OF THE CITY ATTORNEY, BE PRESENT. CAN WE ASK DEEPER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROCESS AND PROCEDURES AT THAT POINT JUST TO MAKE SURE? I HEARD SEVERAL INTERPRETATIONS OF STATE LAW IN TERMS OF NOTIFICATION AND LANGUAGE.
IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN GET MORE INFORMATION ON AS WELL? AS FAR AS THE NOTIFICATION THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN MET? I DID WANT TO CLARIFY THAT SINCE THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS CLOSED, YOU'RE TABLING THE ITEM.
BUT BUT ANY ITEM, ANY ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC CAN SPEAK ON ANY ITEM.
SO IT WOULDN'T BE A FORMAL PUBLIC HEARING, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO SPEAK.
AND AGAIN, THE NEW ANY NEW LANGUAGE WOULD APPEAR IN YOUR PACKETS THE FRIDAY BEFORE THE MEETING.
OKAY. THAT'S FINE. MOTION BY FRANCESCA. SECOND BY AINSLEY.
IT'S ALL KIND OF QUIET. NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS.
ARE THERE ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS? OKAY. NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS ADJOURNMENT.
MOTION TO ADJOURN. SECOND. MOTION BY FRANCESCA.
SECOND BY ARAM. WE ARE ADJOURNED. WHAT JUST HAPPENED? ARE THEY GOING TO SEND OUT?
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.