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OKAY. I'M GOING TO PUT YOU ON. IT IS 630. I CALL TO ORDER THE. TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 18TH, 2025 MEETING OF THE LEWISVILLE CITY PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS. THERE
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IS A QUORUM PRESENT. THE SECOND ORDER OF BUSINESS IS. CONSIDER THE MINUTES OF THE FEBRUARY 4TH REGULAR MEETING. COMMISSIONERS. QUESTIONS. COMMENTS? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MOTION TO APPROVE. MOTION BY FRANCESCA. SECOND BY JACK. YOU MAY VOTE NOW. MOTION CARRIES FIVE ZERO.[C. Regular Hearings]
NEXT WE HAVE TWO REGULAR HEARINGS. THE FIRST CONSIDERATION OF TWO ALTERNATE STANDARDS ASSOCIATED WITH OUTDOOR STORAGE STANDARDS AND SCREENING STANDARDS FOR WALMART ON 18.613 ACRES LOCATED AT 801 WEST MAIN STREET, LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS VALLEY RIDGE BUSINESS PARK WEST EDITION, LOT THREE R-1, A BLOCK C ZONED GENERAL BUSINESS, AS REQUESTED BY IAN BRIGHT OF WING, LLC ON BEHALF OF THE OWNERS WALMART REAL ESTATE BUSINESS TRUST, 24 1115 ALT SD. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS WING IS A DRONE COMMERCIAL DRONE DELIVERY SERVICE THAT IS PARTNERED WITH WALMART TO PROVIDE LAST MILE DELIVERY FOR WALMART'S GOODS AND SERVICES. THEY HAVE HAD THEIR SITE AT THE WALMART OFF OF MAIN STREET FOR OVER A YEAR NOW, WITH THEIR. SORRY, THE THING IS RINGING A BIT LOUDER, BUT SO THEY'VE CURRENTLY HAVE AN EXISTING SITE WORKING WITH WALMART ON THE WALMART OFF OF MAIN STREET. THOSE ALTERNATIVE STANDARDS WERE FOR A YEAR SET TO EXPIRE BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL INTENT WAS THAT STAFF WOULD PUT TOGETHER A DRONE ORDINANCE THAT WOULD GO BEFORE THE COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL BEFORE THEN.WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT ORDINANCE. AND SO IN THE MEANTIME, WHILE WE FINISH THOSE UP, WE REQUESTED THAT WING REAPPLY FOR THEIR ALTERNATIVE STANDARDS. THEY'RE REQUESTING THE SAME THAT THEY DID THE LAST TIME, WHICH BOTH WERE GRANTED TO ALLOWED OUTSIDE STORAGE TO BE LOCATED IN FRONT OF THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING AND TO USE A BLACK GALVANIZED METAL PANEL STEEL FENCE IN LIEU OF THE REQUIRED MASONRY WALL OR TUBULAR STEEL FENCE. SOME ADDITIONAL CONTEXT. SO THE DRAFTED ORDINANCE THAT WILL EVENTUALLY GO IN FRONT OF YOU AND CITY COUNCIL WOULD MAKE IT SO THAT. SO CURRENTLY IT'S BEING CONSIDERED AS OUTSIDE STORAGE.
BUT WITH THE DRAFTED ORDINANCE IT WOULD LANDING PADS AND DOCKING STATIONS WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED OUTSIDE STORAGE. SO THEY WOULD NOT REQUIRE SCREENING. AND SO WE FIND THAT AND ADDITIONALLY WITH DRONES, THEY'RE VERY UNIQUE TO ANY OF OUR OTHER USES. AND BASED OFF THE WAY THAT THEY OPERATE AND THEIR FLIGHT, THEY DO NEED A, A, I GUESS, TRANSPARENT FENCE SO THAT THE DRONES ARE ABLE TO SAFELY LAND AND TAKE OFF AS FAR AS THE LOCATION IN FRONT OF THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING. IT'S A SIMILAR SITUATION WHERE THE NATURE OF THE DRONE SERVICE REQUIRES THAT IT'S PLACED IN A WAY TO ENSURE SAFE. FLIGHT AND RETURN. SO THE STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR THE ALTERNATIVE STANDARDS AS LISTED. I'M HERE FOR ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS MAY HAVE, AS IS THE APPLICANT, AND THEY HAVE A SHORT PRESENTATION THAT THEY CAN SHOW TO HELP ILLUSTRATE A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THEIR OPERATIONS. TO THOSE WHO AREN'T FAMILIAR, THANK YOU, THANK YOU QUESTIONS OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THE PRESENTATION FIRST? PRESENTATION. PRESENTATION.
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PRESENTATION PLEASE. GOOD EVENING. SHOULD I STATE MY ADDRESS? JOSH? WHAT'S THAT? OH, YES. JOSH BUSHEY, I'M WITH WING AVIATION. ADDRESS IS 2999 OLYMPUS BOULEVARD, AND THAT'S IRVING 75019. SO I'LL GO THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION PRETTY QUICKLY. YOU KNOW, THIS IS OFTEN WHEN WE'LL GIVE TO NEW CITIES. BUT WE'VE BEEN OPERATING IN LEWISVILLE FOR A WHILE HERE. SO IF I CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO. THERE WE GO. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO WINGS OPERATIONS AGAIN. HOPEFULLY YOU GUYS HAVE HAD SOME EXPOSURE TO THIS BUT PARTNERED WITH WALMART IN THE AREA TO PROVIDE DELIVERY SERVICES VIA DRONE. AND SO WE'RE SETTING UP NESTS THROUGHOUT THE DFW AREA RIGHT NOW AND KIND OF EXPANDING FROM THERE. BUT THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF ONE OF OUR NEST LOOK LIKE VERY SIMPLE, DESIGNED TO BE VERY KIND OF LIGHT IN TERMS OF HOW WE SET THINGS UP SO WE CAN GET IN THERE QUICKLY AND PROVIDE THESE SERVICES TO THE COMMUNITIES THAT WE'RE PROVIDING THEM TO. SO WHAT OUR OPERATIONS ARE LIKE, WE PARTNER WITH WALMART, LIKE I SAID, TO PROVIDE LAST MILE DELIVERY, HOPEFULLY PROVIDING SPEED, RELIABILITY, SUSTAINABILITY AND COST EFFECTIVENESS. SO WE'RE AT 19 LOCATIONS RIGHT NOW ACROSS DFW. LEWISVILLE. YOU CAN SEE AT THE TOP OF THE LIST THERE A GOOD CITY THAT WE'RE WE'RE HAPPY TO BE PARTNERED WITH, AS WELL AS ARLINGTON AND DENTON, FRISCO, FORT WORTH. AND BASICALLY HOW IT WORKS IS WE WORK WITH WALMART.CUSTOMERS CAN ORDER ITEMS FROM WALMART AND THEY'RE DELIVERED WITHIN 30 MINUTES VIA DRONE TO THEIR HOUSE. SO THE BENEFITS OF DRONE DELIVERY SAFER. WE ALL KNOW THAT. YOU KNOW, I'M SURE YOU'VE HEARD THE CLICHE DRIVING YOUR CAR HOME AT NIGHT IS ONE THE MOST DANGEROUS THINGS YOU DO. SO SAFER THAN DRIVING, CLEANER THAN THAN MORE MILES BEING USED WITH VEHICLES TO PROVIDE THESE THESE SERVICES FASTER, LIKE I SAID, MOST DELIVERIES ARRIVE UNDER TEN MINUTES, BUT WE USUALLY SAY 30 MINUTES TO BE SAFE. BUT THE NUMBERS SHOW TYPICALLY UNDER TEN MINUTES DELIVERY TIME CHEAPER. IT CAN BE REALLY ECONOMICALLY VIABLE, REDUCING CONGESTION, OBVIOUSLY BRINGING JOBS TO THE AREA. BOTH LOUIS AND THEN DFW AS A WHOLE AND THEN PROVIDING GREATER ACCESS. YOU KNOW, THINGS WE'VE TALKED TO OTHER CITIES ABOUT SENIOR CITIZENS WHO CAN'T LEAVE THEIR HOME, PEOPLE WHO MAYBE HAVE DISABILITIES ALLOWS THEM TO BE ABLE TO GET THINGS THAT THEY NEED QUICKLY WITHOUT HAVING TO GET IN THE CAR. ALL RIGHT. LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE I HAVE HERE. THIS IS A VIDEO. NOT SURE THAT WOULD PLAY VERY WELL, BUT THAT'S A PICTURE OF OUR DRONE. YOU CAN GO TO WNCT.COM IF YOU WANT TO SEE A VIDEO OF KIND OF HOW IT WORKS, HOW IT FLIES.
IT'S REALLY INTERESTING. BUT IN TERMS OF THE PROCESS, PEOPLE IN THE AREA CAN GO INTO OUR APP, CHECK THEIR ADDRESS TO SEE IF IT'S AVAILABLE. I THINK I BELIEVE RIGHT NOW WE ARE KIND OF THREE MILES OUTSIDE OF THE WALMART LOCATION. SO TOTAL ROUND TRIP OF ABOUT SIX MILES. BUT PEOPLE CAN GO IN OUR APP TO VERIFY THEIR ADDRESS. THEY CAN SELECT FROM THE WALMART CATALOG AND THEN TRACK THEIR PACKAGES. IT'S DELIVERED TO THEIR HOUSE. JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR OUR DRONES. WE GET A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DRONES. YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE EXCITING PART.
WE REALLY PRIORITIZE SAFETY IN OUR DRONES. THEY ONLY WEIGH ABOUT 12 POUNDS, ALMOST COMPLETELY MADE OF STYROFOAM. WE CAN CARRY JUST UNDER THREE, 3 POUNDS RIGHT NOW. AND WE'VE DELIVERED OVER 4000 400,000 SORRY DELIVERY SAFELY AS WE'VE OPERATED AS A COMPANY. THE DRONES FLY ABOUT 60 MILES AN HOUR. AND LIKE I SAID, ABOUT SIX MILES ROUND TRIP FOR DELIVERIES, ALL OF OUR PLANES, OUR WHOLE PROCESS IS REGULATED BY THE FAA. SO WE GO THROUGH A LOT. I CAN'T UNDERSTATE THAT. THE AMOUNT OF TIME WE SPEND WITH THE FAA GOING THROUGH APPROVALS, MAKING SURE THEY'RE BOUGHT INTO WHAT WE'RE DOING AND REALLY WRITING THE NEW LAWS TO DICTATE DRONES AND HOW THEY CAN BE USED, AND SAFE PRACTICES. OUR FLIGHT OPERATIONS CENTER IS JUST DOWN THE ROAD HERE IN COPPELL, JUST CAME FROM THERE. OUR PILOTS SIT AND OBSERVE THE DRONES AND MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS GOING SAFELY. WE LIKE TO FOSTER COMMUNITY. YOU KNOW, WE'RE REALLY ABOUT PROVIDING THIS SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY AND GETTING PEOPLE ENGAGED. AND SO WE LIKE TO HOST LOCAL COMMUNITY EVENTS. IF THERE'S ANYTHING OUT OF THIS MEETING THAT YOU GUYS THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR US TO BE AT TO HELP RAISE AWARENESS OR GET THE COMMUNITY MORE INVOLVED,
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WE'RE HAPPY TO ALWAYS PARTICIPATE IN THOSE THINGS. SO JUST JUST A LOOK AT OUR SITE HERE. LIKE WAS MENTIONED, THIS SITE HAS BEEN EXISTING FOR ABOUT A YEAR. PRETTY TYPICAL SITE FOR US. A VERY SIMPLE FENCE IN A WALMART PARKING LOT. THESE SITES ARE SET UP TO SERVICE UP TO 18 DRONES. VERY SIMPLE. THEY ARE OPERATING OFF OF GENERATOR POWER RIGHT NOW AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN A SECOND. THE OTHER THING IS IN THIS PICTURE WE SHOW WHAT WE CALL A KIOSK. I BELIEVE OUT THERE RIGHT NOW IS A STORAGE CONTAINER. ONE CHANGE THAT WE ARE. HERE'S JUST A COUPLE ADDITIONAL PHOTOS OF WHAT OUR SITES LOOK LIKE. ONE CHANGE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING AS PART OF THIS APPROVAL IS TO UPDATE THE EXISTING STORAGE CONTAINER TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE IN LINE WITH THE DISTRICT AND THE VISUAL STANDARDS OF THE DISTRICT. SO GOING TO SOMETHING THAT HAS A STONE VENEER, WORKING WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO GET THOSE THINGS APPROVED, JUST AGAIN, TO UPDATE IT TO BE MORE IN LINE WITH THE VISUAL STANDARDS. AND THE OTHER THING WE'RE WORKING ON IS PERMANENT POWER. THAT'S A PROCESS THAT WALMART IS KIND OF WORKING THROUGH RIGHT NOW. THERE SHOULD BE I DON'T HAVE ANY EXACT TIMEFRAME FOR THAT. BUT DEFINITELY BEFORE THE ORDINANCE COMES OUT AND WORKING TOWARDS THAT AS WE SPEAK. YEAH. SO THAT'S MY PRESENTATION. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. OR IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR AS WELL, COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS, NO QUESTIONS. AND YOU SAID IT WAS WITH.COM.COM. YEP. OKAY. AND IT'S CURRENTLY BEING OPERATED AND USED. YEP. YEAH. IF YOU ARE IF YOU ARE, IF YOU HAVE AN ADDRESS THAT'S WITHIN THAT THREE MILES. AND OBVIOUSLY THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT COME INTO PLAY. YOU KNOW IF YOU'RE NEXT TO A HOSPITAL SOMETIMES THERE'S ISSUES WITH HELICOPTERS. WE NEED AGAIN PRIORITIZING SAFETY. WE WON'T FLY WHEN THAT HELICOPTER IS FLYING. BUT YEAH YOU CAN GO TO.COM AND SEE IF YOUR ADDRESS IS ELIGIBLE OKAY. A QUESTION OF STAFF BY THE PLACEMENT OF THIS, DO WE RUN THE RISK OF INADVERTENTLY CREATING A PRECEDENT FOR OTHER ACTIVITIES THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE SAME. YEAH. SO WE HAVE ONE OTHER DRONE OPERATOR AT A DIFFERENT WALMART IN LEWISVILLE. WE DID APPROVE ALTERNATIVE STANDARDS, THE SAME ALTERNATIVE STANDARDS A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO WITH IT WAS A TEMPORARY IN NATURE. IT WAS FOR ONE YEAR. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON GETTING ORDINANCES AND AS DRAFTED, THEY WOULD ACTUALLY COMPLY WITH ALL THOSE ORDINANCES. WE JUST NEED TO GET THOSE BEFORE YOU. THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF SCOPE CREEP ON THAT PROJECT. AND SO IT EXPANDED TO THE ENTIRETY OF THE SUPPLEMENTAL STANDARDS AND GETTING THOSE UPDATED. BUT WE DO HOPE TO HAVE THOSE BEFORE YOU, AND MAYBE NOT THE NEXT MEETING, BUT MAYBE THE MEETING AFTER THAT. IN TERMS OF WHEN WE ORIGINALLY HAD THIS DISCUSSION, THE OPERATION OF THE PARKING LOT WAS A QUESTION IN TERMS OF THE TRAFFIC FLOWS, HAS ANY OBSERVATION OR STUDY BEEN MADE OF HOW WELL THE PARKING LOT HAS OPERATED WITH THE OPERATION OF THE DRONES? WE HAVEN'T CONDUCTED ANY STUDIES. I HAVE BEEN OVER THERE SEVERAL TIMES. AS I VISIT THAT WALMART ON A REGULAR BASIS, I HAVE NOT NOTICED IT IMPACTING OR CAUSING ANY ISSUES. THERE'S CERTAINLY MORE THAN ADEQUATE PARKING AT THE WALMART, AND NONE OF THE DRIVE AISLES ARE BLOCKED BY THE LOCATION OR THE OPERATIONS. YEAH, I'M AT THAT LOCATION WEEKLY AND YOU BARELY EVEN NOTICE IT. IT'S IT HASN'T IMPEDED ANYTHING WITH THE LAST QUESTION WITH THE THIS IS AN EMERGING TECHNOLOGY AND WE'VE SEEN TWO TECHNOLOGIES REPRESENTED BEFORE THE COMMISSION. THE. ARE WE TIPPING A COMPETITIVE EDGE WITH THIS TYPE OF DECISION MAKING FOR ONE OPERATION OVER ANOTHER? NO, I DON'T BELIEVE SO. AND WE'VE ACTUALLY IN OUR DRAFTED ORDINANCE, WE SPOKE WITH WING AS WELL AS OTHER DRONE OPERATORS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WOULD WORK EQUALLY WELL FOR ALL OF THEM. SO WHEN WE BRING THAT FORWARD, WE'LL TALK TO YOU A BIT ABOUT THAT AND THE TERMINOLOGY THAT WE USED. AND IN THAT DRAFT ORDINANCE, WE TALK ABOUT IF THEY'RE PLACING THEIR LANDING AREA ON THE GROUND, ON THE BUILDING, ON THE POLE ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING, BECAUSE DIFFERENT PLACES MOUNT IT IN DIFFERENT WAYS. SO WE'VE ADDRESSED THOSE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS IN THAT DRAFTED ORDINANCE THAT WE HOPE TO BRING FORWARD SOON. SO I DON'T THINK THAT THIS NECESSARILY GIVES ANYBODY A COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE, BECAUSE WE HAVE ALREADY ALSO APPROVED ALTERNATIVE STANDARDS FOR THE OTHER OPERATOR AT THE OTHER WALMART. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS. COMMENTS? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.[00:15:09]
I RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE TWO ALTERNATIVE STANDARDS AS PRESENTED. SECOND MOTION BY ARAM. SECOND BY FRANCESCA. YOU MAY VOTE NOW. MOTION CARRIES FIVE ZERO COMMISSIONERS. THIS ITEM WILL BE CONSIDERED BY THE CITY COUNCIL ON MONDAY, MARCH THE 3RD, 2025 AT 7:00 PM. THANK YOU, THANK YOU RICHARD. NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS CONSIDERATION OF FIVE ALTERNATIVE STANDARDS RELATED TO PARKING, PEDESTRIAN CIRCULATION, ARCHITECTURE AND SCREENING STANDARDS OF THE INTERSTATE HIGHWAY 35 EAST CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT ON 0.1793 ACRE TRACT OF LAND OUT OF THE JAY SUTTON SURVEY. ABSTRACT NUMBER 1155 AND THE EPIC SURVEY, ABSTRACT NUMBER 1014. LOCATED ON THE NORTH CORNER OF INTERSTATE HIGHWAY EAST FRONTAGE ROAD AND FOX AVENUE, AS REQUESTED BY EMILY ZOLLNER, PE OF MANHART CONSULTING ON BEHALF OF RUNTIME CENTERS ONE, LLC, THE PROPERTY OWNER. CASE NUMBER 24 09-1 FOR ALL STANDARDS. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS PAUL, I FUMBLE WITH THIS. WHO? I'M NOT SURE. OH COME ON. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE ALL GOOD. THANKS FOR YOUR PATIENCE.RUNTIME CENTER IS A BUSINESS THAT SPECIALIZES IN QUICK SERVE RESTAURANTS THAT FOCUS ON FOOD DELIVERY. THEY'RE LOOKING TO OPERATE OFF OF A PARCEL LAND THAT'S ON THE NORTH CORNER OF FOX AND I-35 FRONTAGE ROAD. THIS PARCEL LAND HAS BEEN SUBJECT TO MANY RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITIONS OVER THE YEARS FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE I-35 HIGHWAY, AND HAS CREATED A VERY UNIQUE SHAPE THAT THAT IS DIFFICULT TO DEVELOP. THEY ARE REQUESTING FIVE ALTERNATIVE STANDARDS TO THE I-35 OVERLAY, AND I WILL GO OVER EACH OF THESE. THE FIRST ONE IS TO ALLOW 24 PARKING SPACES IN LIEU OF THE REQUIRED 42. SO AN I-35 OVERLAY, AND THIS IS IN THE TRANSITION. SUBDISTRICT RESTAURANTS ARE REQUIRED TO BE PARKED AT ONE SPACE FOR EVERY 100FTā !S. NOW, THE INTENT OF THS PARKING STANDARD IS BECAUSE THAT'S ANTICIPATING CUSTOMERS COMING INTO THE RESTAURANTS.
NONE OF THESE THREE BUILDINGS WILL ALLOW ANY CUSTOMERS OR ANY ACCESS FROM THE PUBLIC. THEY ARE ALL KITCHENS WITH JUST DRIVE THROUGH ACCESS FOR THE INTENDED FOOD DELIVERY PLATFORMS. STAFF HAS NO OBJECTION TO THIS. THEY ARE STILL PROVIDING PARKING ON SITE AND DUE TO THE UNIQUE NATURE OF THIS, WE DON'T SEE THIS REDEVELOPING INTO IN A WAY THAT WOULD THEN NEED THAT ADDITIONAL PARKING IN THE FUTURE. THE SECOND ALTERNATIVE STANDARD IS TO REDUCE THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER FROM 20FT TO 5FT ALONG THE I-35 FRONTAGE ROAD. SO THE I-35 OVERLAY REQUIRES 20FT WITH A TREE EVERY 50FT. I BELIEVE THEY ARE REQUESTING THIS TO BE REDUCED TO FIVE FEET, WHICH WILL ALLOW COMFORTABLE ROOM FOR SHADE TREES. AND THIS IS STILL FROM THE CURB TO THE CURB OF THE FRONTAGE ROAD TO THE CURB OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. IT WILL STILL BE OVER 30FT. SO ANYBODY DRIVING BY WILL STILL LOOK LIKE A HEALTHY LANDSCAPE BUFFER. IT'S JUST THE PROPERTY LINE IS ONLY FIVE FEET FROM THE LANDSCAPING. NOW, WE DID FIND PLANS FOR A FULL BUILD OUT OF I-35, WHICH WOULD REDUCE THIS TO 17FT, WHICH IS THREE FEET LESS THAN THAT REQUIREMENT. THESE PLANS CAN CHANGE. THEY ARE NOT FUNDED. THIS IS NOT ANYTHING IN THE CURRENT HIGHWAY WIDENING. IT'S JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THAT IN THE FUTURE THIS COULD BE REDUCED FURTHER IN ANOTHER I-35 EXPANSION. ALL RIGHT. THE THIRD ALTERNATIVE STANDARD IS TO WAIVE THE SECONDARY WALKWAY REQUIREMENT. AND THE TRANSITION SUBDISTRICT. WE ESSENTIALLY
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REQUEST OR REQUIRE A 12 FOOT WALKWAY BETWEEN ALL ENTRANCES. THE INTENT OF THIS IS WHEN YOU HAVE A LOT OF BUSINESSES NEXT TOGETHER, YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE CAN WALK BETWEEN THEM, SO YOU'RE NOT FORCED TO GET BACK INTO YOUR CAR AND JUST HAVE A HEALTHY PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE AGAIN, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, THERE WILL NOT BE ANY PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO THIS.STAFF HAS NO OBJECTION TO THIS. I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT THEY ARE MEETING ALL ADA REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS SITE. ALL RIGHTY. THE FOURTH ALTERNATIVE STANDARDS TO ALLOW A LIVE SCREENING IN LIEU OF THE MASONRY WALL REQUIREMENT ON THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY. SO SORRY. NORTHERN BOUNDARY.
DIRECTLY NORTH OF THIS SITE IS ALL SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. THERE IS ALSO AN EIGHT INCH, A SIX INCH SANITARY SEWER LINE RIGHT NEXT TO THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY HERE. NOW THESE EIGHT INCH SIX INCH SEWER LINES HAVE A 20 FOOT BUFFER, AND OUR PUBLIC SERVICES DOES NOT ALLOW ANY MASONRY WALLS TO BE IN THESE BUFFERS. IF THEY NEED MAINTENANCE, THEY THEY NEED THE 20FT AND ABLE TO DIG DOWN INTO THE PIPE AND TO DO MAINTENANCE. SO THEY MEET THE STANDARD.
THEY'D HAVE TO MOVE THE WALL 20FT FROM THAT PROPERTY LINE, WHICH WOULD CREATE ESSENTIALLY A 20 FOOT NO MAN'S LAND BETWEEN THIS AND THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. THIS WOULD LIMIT THE SITE EVEN MORE THAN IT IS CURRENTLY WITH THIS GEOMETRY. AND THEY ARE PROPOSING TO DO LIVE SCREENING, WHICH OUR PUBLIC SERVICES DOES ALLOW LIVE SCREENING IN THESE EASEMENTS.
ALL OF THESE RESIDENTIAL LOTS HAVE WOOD FENCES. THAT PLUS THE LIVE SCREENING WILL PROVIDE WILL PROVIDE SCREENING AS WELL. AND THEN THE LAST ALTERNATIVE STANDARD IS TO REDUCE THE GLASS BUILDING MATERIAL ALONG THE I-35 FRONTAGE FROM 40 TO 0%. SO IN I-35 OVERLAY, WE WANT A LOT OF THE BUILDINGS THAT HAVE A LOT OF STOREFRONTS JUST TO HAVE A LOT OF GLASS FRONTAGES, AND WE TAKE PARTICULAR MIND OF THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS BECAUSE THESE ARE ALL KITCHENS. THEY'RE LIMITED TO HOW MUCH WINDOWS THEY CAN HAVE. SO IN THE SIDE ELEVATIONS THEY DO NOT HAVE THE GLASS JUST JUST TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF A COMMERCIAL KITCHEN. THEY ARE PROVIDING ADDITIONAL ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENTS HERE. STAFF DOESN'T HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO THIS.
FINALLY, THEY DID REQUEST AN ALTERNATIVE STANDARD FOR THE DUMPSTER LOCATION. WE REQUIRE THE DUMPSTER TO BE LOCATED BASICALLY NOT IN FRONT OF ANY PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH NOT POSSIBLE TO BE MET ON THIS SITE, BUT THIS CAN BE APPROVED BY THE DIRECTOR OF NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES. I WANTED TO MENTION IT, SINCE THEY HAD REQUESTED THAT IN THE LETTER. I WANTED TO NOTE THAT EACH OF THESE ALTERNATIVE STANDARDS ULTIMATELY WILL NEED CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. AND THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS. QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? JONATHAN, HAS THE SITE BEEN ANALYZED FOR THE TYPE OF Q THAT THOSE DRIVEWAYS CAN TAKE? AND I GUESS MY QUESTION IS COMING FROM IT.
IS, IS IT GOING TO BE A BLEND OF DELIVERY OR DELIVERY AND PICKUP. SO FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, AND I'LL LET THE APPLICANT TELL YOU THAT I'LL SPEAK TO THE Q SO WE DO NOT HAVE ANY REQUIREMENTS FOR QUEUING OR FOR ANY QUICK SERVE, BUT THEY THEY ARE ALLOWING 3 OR 4 CAR LENGTHS JUST ALONG THE BUILDING FOR QUEUING THERE. SO BUT I WILL LET THE APPLICANT, IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ME, CAN KIND OF ANSWER TO WHAT THEIR INTENDED CUSTOMERS ARE. WE'RE GOOD. THANK YOU. YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT. BECCA, IF YOU'LL INTRODUCE YOURSELF. YEAH, I'M BECCA DEACON WITH MANHART CONSULTING ADDRESS IS 8144 WALNUT HILL LANE IN DALLAS. 75231 JONATHAN DID A GREAT JOB. I THINK PRESENTING THE INTENT OF THIS PROJECT. I THINK THE HARDEST THING TO GRASP IS THIS IS NOT A CONVENTIONAL DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANT. IT'S NOT LIKE A CHICK FIL A WHERE YOU CAN GO IN PARK, HAVE YOUR KIDS PLAY ON THE PLAYGROUND. IT'S VERY MUCH INTENDED FOR A QUICK PICKUP. AS FAR AS QUEUING GOES, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO TELL FROM THE SCREEN, BUT THE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF EACH BUILDING THERE WILL BE AN ORDER BOARD WITH ALMOST A GATE ARM, SO THE CUSTOMER WOULD PLACE THE ORDER ON THE APP OR ONLINE, GO UP TO THE ORDER BOARD, SCAN IT. IF THEIR ORDER
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IS NOT READY YET, THEN THE GATE ARM WOULDN'T OPEN. SO THAT'S THE INTENT OF THAT EXIT LANE AND THE CIRCULATION AROUND. SO THEY'RE ABLE TO GO FIND PARKING OR CONTINUE TO CIRCLE UNTIL THEIR ORDER IS READY. SO THAT'S HOW THEY'RE MITIGATING THAT TRAFFIC FLOW SITUATION AND AVOIDING QUEUES STICKING OUT. OR THE INTENT IS FOR THE QUEUE TO BE INSIDE BETWEEN THOSE TWO BUILDINGS VERSUS OUTSIDE AROUND THE SITE. SO IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT SOMEONE WOULD WALK UP AND PLACE THE ORDER THERE WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO ORDER FROM THE APP, CORRECT? YES. SO THERE'S NO, YOU KNOW, BACK AND FORTH WITH THE CUSTOMER. IT'S ALL DONE ELECTRONICALLY. OKAY. AND IN THE BEGINNING, IT SEEMS LIKE YOU WILL HAVE PEOPLE WHO WILL WANT TO WALK UP UNTIL THEY UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS. HOW WILL YOU PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING OR KEEP THAT AT BAY AS IT IS? YEAH. SO DEFINITELY I THINK THE PARKING WILL ENCOURAGE IT.THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, A TYPICAL ORDER WINDOW EVEN AT THE FRONT OF THE BUILDINGS. THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, THE SLIDING WINDOW, THE SLIDING GLASS DOOR WHERE THEY CAN WALK UP AND PLACE AN ORDER. THERE WILL BE PLENTY OF SIGNAGE THAT INDICATES WHAT THE PROCESS WILL BE, BUT THERE WON'T BE ANY SORT OF INDICATION THAT YOU COULD GO UP AND ORDER.
YEAH, BECAUSE YOU'RE CLOSE TO A SCHOOL, WHICH CHANGES EVERYTHING. YEAH, YEAH. NO, IT'S AN INTERESTING CONCEPT. THANK YOU. YEAH. COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS. YEAH. WHAT ATTRACTED YOU ALL TO THIS SITE? THAT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION. I THINK THE UNIQUE SHAPE OF IT. SO BECAUSE OUR BUILDINGS ARE A LITTLE BIT SMALLER, IT IS TECHNICALLY ONE BUILDING BUT THREE STRUCTURES WITH A ROOF OVER IT. SO IT IS A VERY TIGHT SITE, WHICH IS THE REQUEST FOR MOST OF THE ALTERNATIVE STANDARDS. AS JOHN NOTED, I THINK THE DEVELOPER WANTED A REALLY CLEAN CONCEPT JUST TO TRY THIS OUT, JUST TO SEE, BECAUSE NOT A LOT CAN FIT ON THIS. YOU CAN'T REALLY PUT A BIG RECTANGULAR BUILDING. PARKING WAS A REALLY BIG CONSTRAINT. SO THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY THIS SITE COULD POTENTIALLY WORK. THERE'S VERY FEW USES YOU COULD GET ON THIS SHAPED SITE AND WHERE IT IS BASED ON THE ZONING, WHERE YOU COULD GET APPROPRIATE AMOUNTS OF PARKING. SO THIS KIND OF HELPED MITIGATE THAT WITH THE INTENT BEING NOT VERY MANY PEOPLE WILL PARK. THEY'LL HOPEFULLY JUST PULL IN AND GET THEIR ORDER AND THEN BE ABLE TO LEAVE. IS IT? I'M VISUALIZING LIKE A SONIC TYPE CONCEPT WITHOUT THE MENU BOARDS WHERE YOU PULL IN AN ORDER. I MEAN, IS IT WHEN YOU SEE THREE RECTANGULAR BUILDINGS LIKE THIS? OR CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THIS DOWN HERE IS KIND OF THE FRONT OF IT. SO THE BACK OF THE BUILDING WILL HAVE. YEAH, THIS IS THE NORTH BUILDING DRIVE THROUGH LIKE CORRECT. YEAH. IS THERE A PLACE WHERE THIS CONCEPT WORKS? THIS IS THE FIRST ITERATION OF IT. SO THIS IS THE FIRST DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED IN IN LEWISVILLE. YES. ANY OTHER CITY STATES WHERE THIS HAS. Y'ALL HAVE TRIED THIS OUT. NOT THAT I KNOW OF. NO. OKAY. QUESTION. AND PERHAPS YOU MIGHT HAVE AN ANSWER. A STAFF WITH THE REWORK OF 35 E WILL THE FOX AVENUE INTERCHANGE KEEP THAT? LESS THAN STANDARD CLOVERLEAF DESIGN, OR IS IT GOING TO BE MODIFIED? AND COULD THAT HAVE AN IMPACT TO THIS? YES. THE ULTIMATE SCHEMATIC DESIGN FOR FOX AVENUE BASICALLY KEEPS THE GEOMETRIES AS THEY ARE. THAT BRIDGE WILL ULTIMATELY HAVE TO BE REBUILT BECAUSE THE SPANS ARE NOT LONG ENOUGH. BUT AGAIN, THAT IS A FUTURE PHASE THAT HAS NOT YET BEEN FUNDED. BUT JACK, IF YOU PULL UP THE STAFF MEMO, IT DOES HAVE THE ULTIMATE BUILD OUT OF I-35 WAS INCLUDED IN THE SECOND PAGE OF THE STAFF MEMO. IS THAT THE COLOR? YES, SIR. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO INTERPRET.
EXCELLENT QUESTIONS. COMMENTS. ANY MORE? DID WE GET ANY OF THE RESIDENTS TO OBJECT ON THIS? NO, THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING. OH, OKAY. NOTICES WERE SENT OUT FOR THIS. OKAY. IT DOES NOT REQUIRE AN SUP. SO WE JUST CONSIDER THIS A RESTAURANT. QUICK SERVE DOESN'T REQUIRE QUICK SERVE. RESTAURANTS DON'T REQUIRE ANY ADDITIONAL ZONING ACTION IN LEWISVILLE. ALL RIGHT.
GOT IT. NO MORE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. I WILL JUST GO AHEAD. PLEASE GO AHEAD. ARE THERE ANY
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OTHER LIGHTING CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE THAT I HAVEN'T NOTICED YET? LIGHTING. YOU SAID LIGHTING. OBVIOUSLY THERE'S NOT A LOT A LOT OF PARKING. BUT WILL THE DRIVE THROUGH HAVE A LOT OF LIGHTING THAT MIGHT BE OF A CONCERN TO NEIGHBORS I THINK INTERNALLY. SO BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS, YES. AND MORE SO ON THE BACK SIDE, SINCE THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE WILL BE COMING IN AND THAT'S WHERE THEY'LL BE DIRECTED. I DON'T ANTICIPATE A LOT OF LIGHTING REQUIREMENTS UP BY THAT SCREENING WALL OR BY THAT LIVE SCREENING WALL, AND I THINK THAT THE TREES WOULD ALSO HELP SHIELD THAT. I CAN HELP ANSWER THIS IN THE FULL CIVIL REVIEW PROCESS. WE DO REQUIRE PHOTOMETRIC PLANS. WE DO HAVE REQUIREMENTS FOR NO MORE THAN 0.2 CANDLES OF LIGHT GOING INTO A RESIDENTIAL AREAS. SO THEY ARE MEETING THAT. THAT'S SOMETHING WE DO REVIEW DURING THAT PROCESS. AND THE LIVE SCREENING WILL CERTAINLY HELP WITH THAT. BUT BUT WE DO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE STANDARDS ARE UPHELD DURING THE CIVIL REVIEW PROCESS. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL. I'LL CONSIDER A MOTION. I KIND OF AM AGAINST IT. I DON'T LIKE IT AND I'M NOT SURE WHY, BUT. IS THERE ANY JUST THERE'S SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE NEIGHBORS, THE LIGHTING, THE PARKING, THE AREA, THE I MEAN THERE'S JUST. I KNOW THAT. IT'S BEEN RECOMMENDED, BUT ME PERSONALLY, I JUST I HAVE A QUESTION. SO THIS DOESN'T OR JONATHAN QUESTION THIS DOESN'T REQUIRE AN STP OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. CORRECT. THE USE IS A PERMITTED USE IN THE EXISTING ZONING NEGATIVE OUT IN THE UNIVERSE. BUT LET'S JUST SAY THIS CONCEPT DOESN'T WORK AS INTENDED. AND THIS FOLDS. AND THEN WE'RE LEFT WITH THESE THREE BUILDINGS ON THIS VERY ODD LOT. JUST WHAT WOULD WHAT WHAT COULD BE ANOTHER USE THEN LIKE ANOTHER RESTAURANT WOULD HAVE TO COME IN OR ANOTHER INTENDED USE THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH ANY OF OUR PERMITTED USES IN THE ZONING DISTRICT. AND THIS IS ZONED GIVE ME ONE SECOND GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT. SO IT HAS A PRETTY BROAD, IT HAS A PRETTY BROAD SCOPE. COULD BE PROFESSIONAL OFFICE, COULD BE ANOTHER TYPE OF FOOD SERVICE. MAYBE, YOU KNOW, THE SMALL COFFEE DRIVE THRUS. YEAH. DOES THE STAFF SEE THAT THIS DEVELOPED LOT BECAUSE IT IS JUST WHERE IT'S I GUESS WHAT'S KIND OF GETTING TO ME IS IT'S SUCH A PRECARIOUS POSITION AND LIKE, WHAT ELSE IS GOING TO GO THERE? I MEAN, I DRIVE BY THERE A MILLION TIMES THE SIZE AND IT'S EMPTY AND I WANT TO SEE SOMETHING THERE. BUT THE SIZE OF GEOMETRY, KIND OF THAT SOMETHING ELSE COULD WORK. YEAH. THERE'S A NUMBER OF USES THAT COULD WORK HERE, BUT THEY WOULD ALL HAVE TO BE SMALLER SCALE BECAUSE OF THE SMALL SCALE OF THE, OF THE SITE AND, AND THE GEOMETRY. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS IS THAT THAT THAT IS APPEALING FOR BUSINESS AT THIS SITE IS JUST IT'S A VISIBILITY AT THE INTERSECTION. AND I THINK ONCE THE MAIN STREET BRIDGE IS, IS COMPLETE, THERE WILL BE A U-TURN LANE SO THAT THAT WILL ALLOW FAIRLY EASY TRAFFIC MOVEMENTS FOR TRAFFIC THAT NEEDS TO GO SOUTH ON 35 E OR WEST ON FOX AVENUE, OR REALLY EITHER DIRECTION ON FOX AVENUE, SINCE THE ONLY ACCESS DRIVE IS ON THE FRONTAGE ROAD. OKAY. INTERESTING CONCEPT FOR SURE.VERY. MISSIONERS. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE? ANY QUALMS CONCERNS DO NOT. THE SITE ITSELF IS PRESENTED WITH SEVERAL CHALLENGES, BUT THIS DOES APPEAR TO BE WELL THOUGHT OUT FOR THE SIZE, FOR THE SIZE AND THE LOCATION AND THE FACT THAT WE'RE GROWING, IT MEETS, YOU KNOW, 2025 VISION OF TRYING TO BRING IN MORE BUSINESSES, ESPECIALLY IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA. AND WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME HIGHWAY EXPANSION AND CONSTRUCTION THERE. SO IT'S AN IDEAL LOCATION FOR ME. GOOD THOUGHTS. THANK YOU. OKAY. PRESENT A MOTION. YEAH. I'LL PRESENT A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE ALTERNATIVE STANDARDS AS PRESENTED MOTION BY
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JOSHUA. THE SECOND. SECOND BY JACK. YOU MAY VOTE NOW. THERE I GO. MOTION CARRIES 4 TO 1. COMMISSIONERS. THIS ITEM WILL BE CONSIDERED BY THE CITY COUNCIL FOR A FINAL DECISION ON MONDAY, MARCH THE 3RD, 2025 AT 7:00 PM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU RICHARD. THE FINAL ITEM ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING IS A PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATION OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT OUTDOOR ON APPROXIMATELY 1.1 ACRE TRACT OUT OF THE H.H. SMITH SURVEY, ABSTRACT NUMBER 1576, LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF EAST VISTA RIDGE MALL DRIVE, APPROXIMATELY 200FT WEST OF HIGH VIEW LANE. ZONED LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT, AS REQUESTED BY MATTHEW THOMAS OF THOMAS SITE DEVELOPMENT ENGINEERING, INCORPORATED ON BEHALF OF A FEATHER SMASH LLC, THE PROPERTY OWNER. CASE NUMBER 20 THREE, DASH 5-8 SUPP.COMMISSIONERS, I WANT TO GIVE YOU A QUICK HISTORY OF FEATHER SMASH. FEATHER SMASH IS AN INDOOR BADMINTON FACILITY THAT IS DIRECTLY EAST OF THE SUBJECT SITE WE'RE SPEAKING OF TONIGHT.
IN DECEMBER OF 2019, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF COPPELL BECAUSE THIS SITE RESIDES IN BOTH THE CITY OF LOUISVILLE AND THE CITY OF COPPELL, TO. TO FACILITATE THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SITE, THE APPLICANT HAS COME FORWARD AND WANTS TO BUILD OUTDOOR PICKLEBALL COURTS IN THE LOT THAT IS EAST OF THE FEATHER SMASH SITE, BUT BOTH THE PICKLEBALL COURTS AND THE INDOOR BADMINTON FACILITY WILL OPERATE AS ONE SITE, THOUGH THERE WILL BE ON SEPARATE LOTS, THEY WILL BE SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT AND FOR ALL INTENTS AND FUNCTION AS ONE SITE. IN FEBRUARY 3RD OF THIS YEAR, OUR CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY OF COPPELL APPROVED ANOTHER INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT BECAUSE IT WAS NOT POSSIBLE TO SERVE THIS SITE SEWER FROM THE CITY OF LEWISVILLE. SO THEY ARE HAVING TO TAKE THE SEWER EXPANDING FROM THE ORIGINAL SITE UP NORTH TO THIS. AND THAT WAS THE REQUIREMENT OF THAT INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT. NOW THEY'RE REQUESTING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, AS WE REQUIRE SPECIAL USE PERMITS FOR ANY OUTDOOR AMUSEMENT, WHICH WE WOULD CONSIDER AN OUTDOOR PICKLEBALL COURT. SO THE SITE WILL FEATURE 12 PICKLEBALL, PICKLEBALL COURTS AND A SMALL CLUBHOUSE. IT WILL HAVE SOME PARKING THAT IS BOUNDING BOTH SIDES, AND WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE CIVIL REVIEW PROCESS, WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS A SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT THAT IS FILED WITH THE COUNTY FOR THIS LOCATION. THE SITE IS SUNK. IT'S, I BELIEVE, THREE FEET DOWN FROM ITS CURRENT ELEVATION, JUST JUST TO MAKE IT WORK SO IT WILL BE LOWER THAN WHAT IT IS TODAY. AND THERE IS SCREENING ALONG THE SIDE, ALONG THE REAR SIDE AS WELL. HERE'S A QUICK WITH THE COMBINED SITE WILL LOOK LIKE WITH BOTH THIS AND THE EXISTING FEATHER SMASH LOCATION ON THE APPLICANT. AS WITH THIS SEP, THEY ARE PROVIDING ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING THAN WHAT IS REQUIRED IN OUR ORDINANCE. ONE THING I WANT TO NOTE IS THAT THEY'RE HAVING ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING ALONG THE VISTA RIDGE MALL DRIVE, AND A LARGE GROUPING OF LANDSCAPING ON THE SOUTH. THE SOUTHEAST CORNER ON THIS LOCATION. INITIALLY, WHEN THEY CAME FOR THE STAFF ABOUT DEVELOPING THIS SITE, THERE IS A BATCH PLANT DIRECTLY SOUTH, AND WE DID HAVE CONCERNS WITH AIR QUALITY AS BATCH PLANTS CAN HAVE PARTICULAR MATERIALS AND THERE WAS CONCERN WITH PEOPLE BREATHING HEAVILY RIGHT NEXT TO THAT. THE APPLICANT DID PROVIDE AN AIR QUALITY REPORT, AND THAT WAS DONE BY A COMPLETED BY WHITEHEAD ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES. AND THEN THEY FOUND NO EVIDENCE OF ENVIRONMENTAL RISK FROM THE SITE WHEN THEY WHEN THEY DID THE READINGS HERE. SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS WE HAD FOR SUPPORT OF THE SUPS TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT THERE WAS THIS. I'M WANT TO GO BACK REAL QUICK WITH THE CLUBHOUSE THERE. WE ASKED FOR 80% MASONRY MATERIALS AND THERE, AND THEY
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DID EXCEED THAT BY PROVIDING MORE THAN 50% BRICK OR STONE FOR THE SMALL CLUBHOUSE ON THIS LOCATION. THERE WAS ALSO NOISE CONCERNS WITH THIS, BUT LEWISVILLE RESIDENTS AND THE RESIDENTS TO THE SOUTH. SO I WANTED TO NOTE THAT TYPICALLY A PICKLEBALL, THE NOISE OF PICKLEBALL IS AROUND 85DB. SO THE NOISE REPORT, WHICH I PROVIDED YOU ALL SHOULD HAVE A COPY OF THAT SINCE THAT WAS NOT PROVIDED WITH THE PACKET. THEY PROVIDED STUDIES WITH 80, 90, 100 AND 110DB AND HOW THAT WOULD IMPACT THE NEIGHBORING RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS IS TO NOTE THAT WITHIN THE 80 AND 90, WHICH WOULD BE THE SUBJECT OF PICKLEBALL BEING SWAPPED AT THIS LOCATION, IS REALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR THESE LOCATIONS, WHICH DON'T SHOW ANY LARGE CONCERNS WITH SOUND. A BIG REASON FOR THAT IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS OVER 500FT AWAY FROM THIS, AND THERE'S MULTIPLE BUILDINGS SCREENING IT. AND I ALSO WANTED TO NOTE THAT THIS STUDY WAS NOT COMPLETED WITH THE SCREENING OR LANDSCAPING WAS NOT CONSIDERED WHEN THAT NOISE STUDY WAS COMPLETED. SO IT WILL BE EVEN LESS THAN WHAT IS SHOWN IN THAT REPORT. AND OKAY. AND THEN I BROUGHT THE LANDSCAPING AGAIN SO WE CAN SEE THAT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE REGARDING THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT. THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL. SO A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ON THE AIR QUALITY FINDINGS. THE ORGANIC COMPOUNDS, IF I'M READING IT CORRECTLY, I THINK I UNDERSTOOD THAT. WAS THERE ANYTHING STUDY DONE ON THE PARTICULATE. I WILL HAVE TO READ BACK THROUGH IT. I DO NOT RECALL OFF THE TOP OF MY MIND IF THERE, WHAT IN PARTICULAR WAS THERE? IT WAS A FAIRLY EXTENSIVE REPORT. I THINK IT WAS OVER 70 PAGES. HOW LONG IS THAT BATCH PLANT OPERATED? I ACTUALLY WAS LOOKING AT HISTORICAL AERIALS TODAY, AND IT OPENED SOME TIME IN THE VERY EARLY 80S. I BELIEVE IT TYPICALLY BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE, THOSE HAVE A LIFESPAN FOR THE CONSTRUCTION, WHETHER THEY HAVE THE MATERIALS NEAR THEM OR THERE'S A DEMAND FOR THAT MATERIAL. IS THAT STILL A IS THERE A FUTURE FOR THAT BATCH PLANT THAT WE'RE AWARE OF? NOT THAT WE'RE AWARE OF? THE BATCH PLANT ITSELF IS LOCATED IN COPPELL. I'M NOT SURE IF THEY'RE AWARE OF ANYTHING, BUT I'M NOT AWARE OF ANYTHING AS AS FOR THE SITE PLAN, IT'S A IT'S A IT'S A IT'S A FAIRLY LONG FACILITY TO GET FROM ONE COURT TO THE FURTHEST COURT. IS THERE ANY.CART PATHS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? I JUST DIDN'T SEE IT ON THE. I BELIEVE THE INTENT IS MOSTLY FOR PEDESTRIAN ACCESS FROM, FROM THIS SITE, AND A LOT OF THE PARKING IS SUPPLEMENTED FROM THE EXISTING FEATHER SMASH SITE. PICKLEBALL COURTS ARE FAIRLY SMALL COMPARED TO LIKE TENNIS COURTS. THE WHOLE PROPERTY IS ABOUT 450FT LONG, SO IT'S NOT A TERRIBLY LONG DISTANCE. THEY JUST BUILT THE WARM UP INTO GETTING TO THE CORE OF THAT. THANK YOU. I HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. I DO TOO. THANK YOU. AND MAYBE THE SAME QUESTION. PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO US. YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS MATTHEW THOMAS. I'M THE CIVIL ENGINEER AT THOMAS SITE DEVELOPMENT ENGINEERING, AND I'M AT 2507 HEATHER GLENN COURT, COLLIERVILLE, 76034. I'M HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU. MY QUESTION IS YOUR NORMAL OPERATING HOURS ARE 5 A.M. TO 11 P.M, AS I UNDERSTAND, AND I UNDERSTAND WHY THAT GOES ON ALSO. BUT WILL YOU CHANGE OR HAVE DIFFERENT OPERATING HOURS FOR YOUR OUTSIDE COURTS THAN YOUR INSIDE ACTIVITIES? WE WERE PLANNING TO KEEP IT THE SAME. OKAY, YOU KNOW, 8 A.M. TO 11 P.M. BECAUSE THAT SOUND OF THE PICKLEBALL BALL AT 5 A.M. MIGHT NOT BE QUITE AS ENTERTAINING AS THAT. THAT THAT'S. SO YOU DO PLAN TO KEEP IT THE SAME? YES. BUT NOW I ALSO UNDERSTAND AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. YOUR PRESENT BUILDING STANDS IN THE WAY BETWEEN THE COURTS AND THE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, AM I CORRECT? YES, THAT IS CORRECT. CORRECT, YES. THANK YOU. WILL YOU STILL OFFER PICKLEBALL
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PICKLEBALL INDOORS AS WELL? OR IS ALL PICKLEBALL MOVING TO THE OUTDOOR COURTS ONLY? THAT WILL BE DRIVEN BY THE MARKET CONDITIONS. BUT IF THERE'S MORE DEMAND, WE COULD HAVE IT INDOOR.ALSO, BECAUSE I CURRENTLY ACTUALLY THERE FOR PICKLEBALL INDOORS. SO THE THING IS IDEALLY THE DEVELOPER WOULD HAVE LIKED TO BUILD A BUILDING ON THIS AND HAVE ALL THE INDOOR COURTS, BUT THE SITE JUST DOES NOT SUPPORT A BUILDING. AND THEN WE TRIED VERY HARD TO GET ACCESS OF THAT. THE OTHER STREET ON THE WEST OF THIS WEST WEST, I DON'T EVEN KNOW THE NAME OF THAT STREET ANYMORE, BUT IT'S, IT'S NOBODY KNOWS WHO IT BELONGS TO. THAT LITTLE EASEMENT. AND WE DID ALL KINDS OF RESEARCH AND WE COULDN'T COME UP WITH A VALID OWNERSHIP. SO WE COULDN'T EVEN APPLY FOR DRIVING A DRIVEWAY PERMIT, BECAUSE INITIALLY WE WERE PLANNING TO PUT A FEW PARKING SPACES ON THAT SIDE TO SPLIT THE ENTRANCE, BUT IT DIDN'T WORK OUT THAT WAY. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? IF THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU, THANK
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YOU. ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK MAY COME FORWARD, BUT FIRST OF ALL, I NEED TO READ SOMETHING INTO THE RECORD. I HAVE A LETTER HERE FROM THE CITY OF COPPELL AND IT'S ADDRESSED TO RICHARD. I HOPE ALL IS WELL WITH YOU. THE CITY OF COPPELL HAS RECEIVED CONCERNS FROM COPPELL GREENS HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION RELATING TO THE POTENTIAL NOISE GENERATED FROM THE PROPOSED OUTDOOR PICKLEBALL COURTS. THIS SUBDIVISION IS LOCATED TO THE EAST OF THE PROPOSAL. WE WOULD ASK THAT THESE BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION WITH ACTING ON THE PROPOSAL BEFORE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION THIS EVENING, AND THIS IS SIGNED BY MATTHEW STEERE, WHO IS DEVELOPMENT SERVICE ADMINISTRATOR FOR THE CITY OF COPPELL. NOW, SIR, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. MY NAME IS PHILIP LABARGE. I'M THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE COPPELL GREENS HOA. MY ADDRESS IS 858 MORLEY LANE AND COPPELL GREENS. THANKS FOR LETTING ME TALK TO YOU TONIGHT. WHEN HARISH AND VISTA VISTARA SPORTS FIRST CONTACTED ME, AS YOU KNOW, AS I THINK MOST PEOPLE IN AN HOA WOULD WERE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT AN OUTDOOR PICKLEBALL COURT BEING LOCATED ANYWHERE NEAR OUR SUBDIVISION. AND I DID BRING IT UP WITH THE COPPELL ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. AND THEY INFORMED ME THAT THERE WAS ONE REQUEST FOR A PICKLEBALL COURT THAT THEY DECLINED. CAPELLE. BUT I WAS FORWARDED THE PLANS, AND THEN I WAS ALSO FORWARDED THE NOISE ATTENUATION STUDY, WHICH I REVIEWED. AND THERE WERE SOME THINGS THAT REALLY CONCERNED ME. THE GENTLEMAN THAT WAS JUST UP HERE DID SAY THAT SOUND IS BEING BLOCKED BY THEIR EXISTING BUILDING, WHICH IS SORT OF PARTIALLY TRUE. SOME OF THE SOUND IS ALSO BEING BLOCKED BY THE MAINTENANCE BUILDING THAT'S ON THE MARTIN MARIETTA CONCRETE PLAN. MY CONCERN WAS WITH REGARD TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT WHEN THE PLANT WAS BUILT AND IF THERE'S A TERM THAT THE PLANT MIGHT EVENTUALLY EXPIRE AND THE LAND IS SOLD, AND THEN THE NEW DEVELOPER KNOCKS IT ALL DOWN, THERE WOULD BE A CLEAR PATH BETWEEN THE COURTS AND THE SOUTH SIDE OF LAIRD'S, WHICH IS THE STREET THAT RUNS NORTH SOUTH PARALLEL TO THEIR PROPERTY. THAT REALLY CONCERNED ME, BUT I WAS JUST FORWARDED THE PLAN BY THE OWNER AND THE LANDSCAPE PLAN SHOWS A STONE. IT SHOWS ON THE PLAN SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE A STONE WALL. AND I ASKED HIM WHAT EXACTLY WAS IT, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T PROVIDE A SECTION THROUGH THAT, AND HE REPLIED THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A 3 FOOT TO 4 FOOT STONE WALL WITH AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE ON TOP OF IT. AND THEN I WAS TOLD THAT THERE'S THAT FENCE IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE A WOOD FENCE. SO I THINK IF[00:50:04]
THERE IS A STONE, THERE IS A WALL WITH AN EIGHT FOOT WOOD FENCE ON TOP OF IT THAT'S GOING TO CREATE A SOUND BARRIER ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE COURTS, AND THAT WILL REALLY BLOCK ANY SOUND THAT'S COMING IN TO COPPELL GREENS. HE ALSO SAID THAT BECAUSE OF THE GRADE ELEVATION, THAT THE GRADE OF THE PICKLEBALL COURTS IS GOING TO BE ABOUT THREE FEET BELOW WHERE THE WALL IS AND THE WALL IS GOING TO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GOING TO BE AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE ON TOP OF THAT. SO I GUESS MY ONLY REAL CONCERN AT THIS POINT IS JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT SOUND DOESN'T COME THROUGH THE WOOD FENCE, AND THAT IT'S LIKE A BOARD ON BOARD WOOD FENCE THAT'S MORE SOLID THAN JUST A BOARD BY BOARD FENCE, AND THE SOUND COULD PENETRATE IT. OTHER THAN THAT, I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES. I THINK THEY'VE ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS, AND I THINK THAT'S IT. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. MR. THOMAS, DO YOU HAVE AN ANSWER FOR HIS QUESTION ABOUT HOW WHAT TYPE OF FENCE IS BEING BUILT? YEAH, WE CAN ACTUALLY PUT THE BOARD ON BOARD. THAT'S THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE. THE FENCE WILL BE BOARD ON BOARD. YEAH OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT THAT'S A NICE ANSWER FOR HIM. MAY I ASK ANOTHER QUESTION OF HIM, PLEASE. CAN YOU I. NEED SOME HELP REMEMBERING THE LIGHTING. THE HOURS ARE FROM 5 A.M. TO 11 P.M. YES. WHAT TYPE OF LIGHTING IS GOING TO BE FOR THE LATER HOURS? WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT POINT, BUT EVENTUALLY IT'LL BE ALL SHIELDED LIGHTING ANYWAY, JUST FOR THE COURTS. I MEAN, TYPICAL OF WHAT WE WOULD EXPECT OF ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT TO PREVENT LIGHT SPILLAGE. OKAY, SO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK? OKAY. I HAVE THE SAME QUESTION OF STAFF IN THAT TYPE OF SITUATION, LIKE A TENNIS COURT IN OR A PICKLEBALL COURT. IS THERE A CITY LIMITATION ON LIGHTING? THERE IS, AND WE ARE NOT AT THE WE'RE NOT TO CIVIL REVIEW. THEY HAVEN'T SUBMITTED ANY FULL CIVIL PLANS FOR THIS PROJECT AS OF YET. BUT WE DO REVIEW ALL OF THAT AND WE DO HAVE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE LIGHTING. REGARDING THE SCREEN ON THIS SOUTHERN BOUNDARY, I ALSO WANT TO MENTION THAT ALONG WITH THE BOARD ON BOARD FENCE, THE APPLICANT IS ALSO PLANTING SHRUBS ALONG THAT ENTIRE BOUNDARY. SO THE SHRUBS PLUS THE FENCE WILL WILL PROVIDE ADDITIONAL REMEDIATION FOR ANY SOUND CONCERNS. YEAH. AND JUST TO WE DO ACTUALLY HAVE MAXIMUM LIGHTING LEVELS AS WELL AS THOSE SPILL OVER LIGHTING LEVELS THAT WE MENTIONED EARLIER. SO THE MAXIMUM IS 20 FOOT CANDLES FOR PRETTY MUCH ALL THINGS. SO THERE IS SOME LIMITATIONS ON THE LIGHT SPILL OVER AS WELL AS MAXIMUM LIGHTING AS WELL AS I BELIEVE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF POLES. SO THAT WOULD ALL BE REVIEWED WITH THE ENGINEERING SITE PLAN. I DID ALSO JUST WANT TO STATE THAT I THINK THAT THE WAY THAT THE EXHIBIT IS PREPARED RIGHT NOW, IT SIMPLY SAYS WOOD FENCE. SO IF THE BOARD ON BOARD IS IMPORTANT, I WOULD MAKE IT A CONDITION OF YOUR MOTION. WITH THE LIGHTING. IS THERE ANY LIMITATION DURING THE TIMING OF THE DAY? SO AFTER 11:00 PM IT NEEDS TO BE SHUT OFF OR NO, THERE IS NO LIMITATION ON THE TIMING. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS QUESTIONS BEFORE I CLOSE? ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK? AND I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING COMMISSIONERS. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT. SECOND MOTION BY AARON. SECOND BY FRANCESCA. YOU MAY VOTE NOW. MOTION CARRIES FIVE ZERO. SO WE DID NOT MAKE IT CONDITIONAL.COMMISSIONERS, THIS ITEM WILL BE CONSIDERED BY THE CITY COUNCIL WITH A SECOND PUBLIC HEARING AND
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A FINAL DECISION ON MONDAY, MARCH 17TH, 2025 AT 7:00 PM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU RICHARD.ANNOUNCEMENTS. MICHELLE. NO ANNOUNCEMENTS. BE SAFE. GOING HOME. YES. IN THAT CASE, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN. MOTION TO ADJOURN FROM FRANCESCA. SECOND BY SECOND BY JOSHUA. VOTE NOW. MOTION CARRIES FIVE ZERO. WE ARE ADJOURNED.
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